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[–] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 42 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

kill individual fighters

They killed like 1 fighter in exchange for wounding a thousand civilians, including at least one little girl who died. The pager shit is every bit as indiscriminate as the bombing.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

i think they killed like, 12 people, and injured somewhere between 1-2 thousand more, probably some civilians in there, but these are military pagers to my knowledge so it'd be weird for it to hurt a bunch of random people, but it's possible.

if you include the radio attack i think it's like another 40 dead, and like 500 injured? Don't quote me on it.

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[–] sudo@programming.dev 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Hezbollah was using commercial grade pagers because they're a militia. The purpose of pagers are to contact them when their off duty. Many of these pagers blew up in homes, grocery stores, and other public places. Many civilians were killed and most people injured were bystanders.

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[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Last I saw was 37 dead to over 3000 injuries

yeah that's what wikipedia is saying. I'm unsure if this includes the radio attacks also though.

[–] capital@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Is lemmy having trouble telling the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah now?

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 10 hours ago (7 children)

No? This is implying that Israel has had the technology to precisely target people for months but chooses to destroy a whole region instead went it came to Palestine.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

to be clear, you can't directly target an individual, you can maybe potentially target a single individual.

This is also not to mention the cost and accessibility of doing something like this at scale. It's theorized they either got into the factories, or somehow got through the shipment and intercepted it to do this operation.

It's possible they acted as a middleman but that would be really really hard to do at scale like this.

And even if they did this in palestine, it would only work once.

[–] CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

You don't need to speculate or theorize; they say exactly how they did it. I cut to the exact part of the video where it is succinctly explained.

You'll also notice that, according to Ben/according to Israel/according to Hezbollah... they advertised that they were going to stop using phones & switch to pagers. In July. So people going on about "they could have done this all along" are wrong. It's been since sometime in July. This July. Which makes this a very fast & even more effective military operation.

Yes, the shell company was set up 1.5 years ago. Date of sale, idk. But common sense: you need to sell your enemy the goods...and you need to know with relative certainty that the hardware is actively in use. So: since July.

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

no i think they're talking about it cuz its israel

[–] capital@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I forgot every method works the same against every target.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 25 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Who's confused? They wanted to do a genocide so now they're doing a genocide.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago

It's more like, they keep doing the genocide.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 15 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Hamas != Hisbollah

But I start to wonder if they Knees about the planed attacks and let them happen to start this massacre.

It feels like the all seeing eye of Mossad was ignored on purpose. I hope Netanjahus Name will be branded for ever. He deserves no good mention in History of humanity.

On the other side... humanity faces the biggest historic event ever and no one cares (climate change)

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 hours ago

Hamas != Hisbollah

And they also don't use pagers, or cell phones, or....?

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 21 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

"we have infiltrate the supply chain of communication devices order by Hizbollah what should we do"

  • "put GPS tracker so we know where they are"
  • "we can listen to all their plans and communication"
  • "put a bomb inside ..."
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

to be fair, a gps tracker probably wouldn't be very useful. You wouldn't even know which pager is held by who. It would just tell you where people "probably are generally" which you probably already know.

you could intercept communications, but they're probably already doing that. doing it at a pager level would be weird, you should be doing it from a transmission level. But i don't know how pagers work so don't quote me on that.

you could put a bomb inside of it. That's an option...

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

Message is unencrypted when it hits the beeper?

[–] MiDaBa@lemmy.ml 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I am fully against this booby trapping war crime regime but the problem with your first options is that pagers don't transmit like phones do. That means there would be no way to remotely aquire the GPS or other saved data undetected.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

If you can plant an explosive in there you can plant a transmitter

[–] MiDaBa@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

My point was that a transmitter would be easily detectable.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 69 points 21 hours ago (2 children)
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