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This says 37 dead, of whom Hezbollah have stated 31 were their fighters.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/threat-israel-hezbollah-war-looms-after-lebanon-device/story?id=113833089
Hezbollah is a political party with 18 parliamentary seats and thousands of public service workers on their payroll.
Saying these were "fighters" is akin to bombing an UNRWA center and claiming you killed 31 Hamas Terrorists.
so then why did they have pagers? I thought the pagers were specifically for millitant orders, or is the whole political party communicating in private via one way pagers?
i feel like if this were public service, this would be in confidence, in a building for example, rather than like this.
To receive messages through an underdeveloped telecommunications infrastructure.
Well, if you feel that way, I guess the mass murder was fine.
obviously. It seems more akin to hamas than like, the green party in the US for example though. I wouldn't be surprised if the primary purpose of the pagers was for military communications. I would expect any sort of political meetings to be done through a scheduled period, i could see notifications going out for these things. But that's about it.
also, from what i've heard, they had phones previously, and recently got rid of them for the usage of these pagers, since the phones were probably bugged, with israeli intelligence anyway.
also i'm not sure this semantically counts as a "mass murder" usually those are done directly by an individual, on a group of people immediately in front of them. Maybe it could apply to this, but that seems like a stretch, especially considering this killed like 50 people total, which is a lot, but considering the amount of injuries and spicy pagers, that's not very effective.
Would the US pullout of afghan that killed like 13 members of the military also count as mass murder? That's more than a few, and probably more collective than this event.
It's underdeveloped because a terrorist organization fought a war to control the telecommunications system so they could leverage it more effectively for more terrorism.
That's a pretty clean ratio actually, considering the nature of Hesbollah.
Yeah. Two civilians dead for every one militant is fairly typical for asymmetric warfare.
Where are you getting those numbers?
Vague memory, but on looking it up, it's even worse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio
https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc14904.doc.htm
I'm sure that's true in general, but given the pagers and radios were being either held or worn by the target, I'd say this attack would have been much better.
Yes, that is exactly what I was saying.
sounds about right with what i've heard from other places.