Yeah this place can be a bit vitriolic tbh. The body shaming is cringe and should be addressed (thanks for addressing it). I am also of the opinion that cars are very cool and fun in the right setting as well as being fascinating from an engineering perspective. Perhaps we should call eachother out on these things more? I think more people would listen if we didn't seem like we just hated cars for being cars

I mean, look, I come in here and argue with these guys all the time, but the sub ain't called "I politely disagree with cars".

Having a loud car is literally one of the most asshole things you can do.

End small-dick hatred. Body shaming isn't okay no matter what.

For every lifted coal roller, there is a small-dicked, eco conscious bicyclist.

If we replace "small dicks" with "sociopathic tendencies and pitiful personalities", will you still complain?

Agree with the body shaming, plenty of shit drivers across the spectrum. Don’t care so much about cars being fun as a means to justify their prevalence. But to acknowledge the counter argument of the culture we seek to criticize does have its merits in effective debate.

I somewhat agree with you but whenever I stand next to one of those guys in a Lambo with a hot young girl who need to accelerate full BBRRAAAAAAAAAHHH until the next traffic light 30 meters down the road, I'll still assume you have a tiny penis and are trying to make up for it. It's not the tiny penis I care about, its the "I'm so insecure that i need a Lambo and a hot chick to feel like i matter" that irks me.

I don't go for making fun of people's imagined dicks or sexual performance. Seems immature and bundled with problematic paradigms.

People can have fun with cars, true. People can have fun with anything. The problem is cars are everywhere and not limited to fun places. like if people had a "cover yourself in honey" fetish and just went everywhere covered in honey, demanded honey dispensers everywhere, got everything sticky, and started wars over honeybees. I don't care how much fun they're having , they're making everything worse for everyone else.

Good on you to call out body shaming when you see it.

Body shaming is still far too accepted and pervasive in our society and it should be called out every time we encounter it.

Thank you for this post. Keep fighting the good fight.

My favorite posts on here are ones that address the underlying causes that make us want to say "fuck cars."

As a resident of northern Utah, I see all the time the negative results of the intersection of car-centric city planning, religious idiocy, and "small government" conservatism.

I like cars. I don't like the political system that allowed car companies to circumvent environmental standards and push ugly ass trucks and SUVs.

I love going for long drives to see new places. I hate that so many interstates were built to destroy "undesirable" neighborhoods.

For example, the I-190 from Buffalo to Niagara Falls ruins public access. The Robert Moses Parkway that runs along the Niagara River to the Falls does the same. There isn't the political will to fix these things.

That pisses me off

I love driving. I don't like drivers who have received minimal training because the state thinks having a drivers licence is more of a right than a privilege.

I think everyone should have to pass a more rigorous road test every 5 years. I think anyone who buys an RV should have a Class B CDL.

I don't like roads that make it dangerous for pedestrians, cyclists, scooter riders, etc.

I want there to be better public transportation. I want high speed rail.

Are there drivers who are absolute assholes and drive unsafely or intentionally cause excessive air/noise pollution? Yeah. They should be shamed for their behavior.

However, not all bicyclists obey the rules of the road. I rode an electric scooter for almost 18 months as my primary mode of transportation. I had more close calls with cyclists and other scooter riders going the wrong way or ignoring traffic devices than with cars.

Usually I get shit for pointing out that US urban areas continue to be built as if everyone is expected to drive their own car, and automotive lobbyists still discourage public transit projects and reducing parking requirements.

And this continuation of policies that maximize car dependency not only exacerbates the climate crisis, but the tires spread microplastics everywhere, usually with single people driving Canyonero style vehicles.

Some people in this community really, really like their cars.

Maybe you want a community that isn't fucking called "fuck cars". Seriously. If you don't like it, that's a you thing. Nobody is making you come here.

Edit: With you on body shaming, same as I would about homophobia or classism. But that's ancillary to the point you're making.

I choose to believe that men with small dicks don't inheritently need to over compensate. It's possible that they are considerate and able to satisfy their partners. And it's equally possible that men with larger penises are selfish lovers, and feel insecure, needing fast/loud cars.

TL;DR: I agree with your point and I'm supporting it with an argument that comes at it from the other direction. You're arguing that big/fast/fun cars aren't worse, while I'm about to argue that small/slow/economy cars aren't better.

The main point of this community is to spread the word about how cars ruin cities. The reason they do that is, in large part, a matter of simple geometry: it's because they take up so much space, both on roads and especially while parked. Specifically:

• Big trucks take up one parking space each
• Fast sporty cars take up one parking space each.
• Electric cars take up one parking space each.
• Small economy cars take up -- say it with me -- one parking space each.

All cars take up the same amount of space, so all cars ruin cities equally. All of them contribute to traffic. All of them beget zoning with mandatory minimum parking requirements, which forces parking lots to be inserted between destinations and ruins walkability. All of them incentivize sprawl-y, low-density development, with things like drive-thrus and big-box stores. All of them insist on being catered to in terms of infrastructure and policy, contributing to drivers' sense of entitlement and privilege.

Substituting small cars for big ones does not solve the problems cars cause. Substituting electric cars for gasoline ones does not solve most of the problems cars cause. The only thing that solves the problems cars cause is substituting them with other transport methods entirely.

Folks, you do not get 'credit' for driving a small car instead of a big one or a fast one. What all the people here acting holier-than-thou about the evils of big trucks specifically are actually trying to accomplish is to absolve themselves of their responsibility for the problem as drivers, by scapegoating another subset of drivers. You are not entitled to do that! If you drive, no matter what you drive, you are part of the problem. End of!

Frankly, I consider everybody in here who rails about trucks (or some other scapegoated subset) instead of all cars to be a borderline reactionary concern troll.

So you're trying to say that we can't blame and piss around about stupid loud and disrespectful cars and car drivers in a community named "Fuck cars"?

C'mon... We're here cause we're pissed off with cars and cars-centric cities that are driving us insane. We're not here to convince anyone, or else the community couldn't be named "Fuck cars".

You may be vastly underestimating how many car enthusiasts would like there to be less traffic.

Finally, don’t act like cars can’t be fun.

I feel like we're getting into 2A territory with comments like this.

Take your race car to the race track. But the idea that trillions of dollars of infrastructure need to be committed for the casual amusement of a few muscle car enthusiasts... It rings especially hollow after complaining about the small-dick jokes.

We won’t convince people to see our side by shitting on the things they enjoy.

Creating a wedge between a small group of clueless entitled nitwits and a large group of people with basic transportation needs is actually a great way to define the terms of debate in a manner that favors mass transit.

A hundred people smiling away on a train versus one very red-faced failson in a sports car is a winning campaign poster.

I happen to think there are some awesome cars for sale in an aesthetic sense as well as a practical one, the only thing I hate is the existence of the obligation to own one.