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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx-AT-kernel.org>

Hi all,

As you know, I've been maintaining the Linux man-pages project for the last 4 years as a voluntary. I've been doing it in my free time, and no company has sponsored that work at all. At the moment, I cannot sustain this work economically any more, and will temporarily and indefinitely stop working on this project. If any company has interests in the future of the project, I'd welcome an offer to sponsor my work here; if so, please let me know.

Have a lovely day! Alex

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[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 235 points 2 months ago
[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 171 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This sounds like the sort of infrastructure project the Linux Foundation should be supporting.

[–] Vivendi@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 months ago

They only invest in the fancy marketable new age shit, and well, corporate rejects (Tizen, MeeGo, etc)

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 153 points 2 months ago (3 children)

In my opinion it's criminal just how often this happens. Big business making obscene profit off the back of volunteer work like yours and many others across the OSS community.

[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 99 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Germany has a Sovereign Tech Fund for exactly this, and while it's not perfect, it's one of the better uses of my tax euros.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Didn't they suspend, or greatly hinder, that recently?

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

There was an EU-wide one that gota lot of its funding redirected to AI stuff recently that you might be thinking of.

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Definitely agree, maybe it’s time to share Paul Ramsey’s talk on the subject again

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Bruce Perens is currently working on a new licensing model called Post Open requiring that business with sufficient revenue to pay up.

https://postopen.org/

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] khorovodoved@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I doubt it. It is basically equivalent to buying a proprietary software license for 1% of a revenue. I doubt any large business would be willing to spend that much on a single piece of software. And it would always be only one piece of software at a time.

[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago

Still better than being exploited

[–] Piatro@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago

I believe it's 1% for access to the "entire post-open ecosystem", rather than 1% per project which would be unreasonable. So you could use one or thousands of projects under the Post-open banner, but still pay 1%.

It will take years to develop the post-open ecosystem to be something worth spending that much on.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

to be quite honest I don't want to see any large business around my project unless they are paying. They are not my target audience, and I'm not writing to funnel money into their pockets

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[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's criminal to let someone do the thing he actively volunteers to do? It's criminal to use software that someone intentionally puts out into the world as free?

If you're willing yo do something for free, people are going to let you 🤷‍♂️

[–] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 17 points 2 months ago (9 children)

It's criminal the propaganda that lead people like this developer to believe they should do the work for free, and not worry, because the corporate world always gives back :)

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[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 63 points 2 months ago

Just, um, don't invite that guy who helped out with the xz tools...

[–] Findmysec@infosec.pub 38 points 2 months ago (13 children)

Everything needs to be slapped with the AGPL. Fuck corporate America

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Creative Commons-BY-NC would be better.

[–] Findmysec@infosec.pub 4 points 2 months ago

Alright we should use that then

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 6 points 2 months ago

AGPL on documentation? What would that do?

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[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 29 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Things like this make me wish I was a tech CEO. I'd totally be the guy ensuring we give back to projects if I was.

[–] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 68 points 2 months ago

That is part of why you're not a tech CEO. You're not supposed to have compassion! No investor would want that.

P.S. This is an attack on CEOs and investors, not on you :)

[–] cubism_pitta@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nah, the investors don't see it as a benefit to your growth to pay people you don't have to

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

10k for a company making millions annually is nothing, 1% or less. But split between some of these projects, especially the less appreciated or funded ones, can be life changing.

But you're unfortunately right

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The 10k can pay dividends in PR alone, and will attract more developers to apply for job openings.

[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 2 months ago

Exactly. Promote it as community outreach, it's more useful than feel-good Pictures at dog shelters.

[–] grandel@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately, people like this don't become CEOs.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 months ago

My old employer used to have people on staff just for technical writing. Some of that writing became the man pages you know, and some of it was 'just' documentation for commercial products - ID management and the like.

Then we sued IBM for breach of contract, and if you ask anyone about it they'll parrot the IBM PR themes exactly, as their PR work was brutal. People in Usenet and Forums were very mean, and the company decided to stop offering much of the stuff that it was for free. It was very 'f this'.

If man pages needed a volunteer to maintain, I know why ours tapered off.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 20 points 2 months ago

My company will let me purchase software, but it won't let me donate to FOSS. Budgeting says it's "unnecessary". So screwed up. (A tiny amount money on my end, but still, it would be nice to help out a little.)

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I think its this site? https://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/

I don't see any option to give money. So he does not accept donations from users like you and me and only asks for sponsorship?

An alternate website can be found here: https://linux.die.net/man/ However, I don't know how much they differ.

Edit: What I don't like with both of these sites is, that they are powered by Google. I would like to see an alternative engine, at least an option to set it up. That's probably a reason why I never used it and actually wouldn't want to support it.

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 months ago (5 children)

You do realize that man pages don't live on the internet? The kernel.org one is the offical project website, as far as I know, but the project itself is very much not for the web presense, but for the vastly useful documentation included on your distribution.

[–] lemann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The few times I've needed to man [app name] on a system without internet access or on an obscure utility, I've always been able to find what I need in the included docs

I hope the dev eventually gets sponsored, this is one of those utilities that you don't think you need until --help doesn't cut it

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 4 points 2 months ago

honestly I use the man command whenever I can. It gives distro-specific info, that documents the right version and any distro-specific patches

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[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago

He absolutely deserves it.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 months ago

Quick, print them all out now before they're gone!

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