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I'm asking what big motivational factors contributed to you into going Linux full-time. I don't count minor inconveniences like 'oh, stutter lag in a game on windows' because that really could be anything in any system. I'm talking, something Windows or Microsoft has done that was so big, that made you go "fuck this, I will go Linux" and so you did.

For me, I have a mountain of reasons by this point to go to Linux. It's just piling. Recently, Windows freaked out because I changed audio devices from my USB headset from the on-board sound. It freaked out so bad, it forced me to restart because I wasn't getting sound in my headset. I did the switch because I was streaming a movie with a friend over Discord through Screen Share and I had to switch to on-board audio for that to work.

I switched back and Windows threw a fit over it. It also throws a fit when I try right-clicking in the Windows Explorer panel on the left where all the devices and folders are listed for reasons I don't even know to this day but it's been a thing for a while now.

Anytime Windows throws a toddler-tantrum fit over the tiniest things, it just makes me think of going to Linux sometimes. But it's not enough.

Windows is just thankful that currently, the only thing truly holding me back from converting is compatibility. I'm not talking with games, I'm not talking with some programs that are already supported between Windows and Linux. I'm just concerned about running everything I run on Windows and for it to run fully on a Linux distro, preferably Ubuntu.

Also I'd like to ask - what WILL it take for you to go to Linux full-time?

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 68 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Enshittification. I never had any technical reasons for leaving Windows. It has its share of annoyances but so does every other OS. What really got to me was the constant pushing of their own products over others. And I don't even want to think about switching to 11. Without the enshittification I would still be using Windows, just because of inertia.

[–] doctortofu@reddthat.com 17 points 4 months ago

Same here. I was fine with W10, but the recent W11 shenanigans were the last straw, and I decided to give Linux Mint a try. Couldn't be happier - everything is so much more snappy now. And since I game on consoles only and my crappy PC was never a gaming machine to begin with, I have zero issues - wish I switched sooner!

[–] stardustsystem@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Windows 7 was a competent OS with low system requirements, a stable kernel, a simple feature set that was well-known and useful, an interface that was comprehensible and clearly conveyed to the user, and it didn't require extra investment or online accounts, and compatibility options for the really old stuff. It remains the Best version of Windows in my eyes.

8 took away the comprehenisble UI, low spec options, and lack of online service requirements, then 10 further complicated the UI and filled the OS with ads, the then 11 bloated the feature set, added even more ads, borked compatibility, and made the online accounts a requirement unless you pay extra and/or know what you're doing.

Textbook Enshittification

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. XP was pretty decent too, though.

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[–] Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's not like I hate other operating systems, I just really like the idea of FOSS and try to use it whenever possible.

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[–] countrypunk@slrpnk.net 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Windows kept shoving their stupid Edge browser down my throat. Tried every way to remove it and it kept popping back up like malware. Kept annoying me with "upgrade to Windows 11 popups." I've used windows 11 on other people's laptops and was flabbergasted that there were ads on paid software. In addition to that I heard 10 will stop getting security updates next year so I bit the bullet and switched to mint full time. It's worked well for me so far.

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[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

I didn't want to have spyware for an os.

[–] Balinares@pawb.social 20 points 4 months ago

Windows 98 really sucked and running Unix at home became an option.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 months ago

i was a starving college student with $20 to my name and a dead windows me desktop computer that had an entire semester's worth of school work trapped inside of it.

i had read about linux before and saw that i could buy a couple of mandrake cd's from a magazine at circuit city for $5 or borrow $169 from someone to buy a windows xp installation disk.

i bought the magazine; installed linux; and taught myself (with google's help) how to copy all of my school work onto a usb drive. i finished those papers using the school's computer laboratories; and then kept on using the linux installation from then on in 2002 until now.

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Been 100% Linux on all my personal devices for about 4 years.

I just got tired of being treated like I was either an idiot or a criminal by Microsoft. Plus the way they kept forcing their bloatware and trash ads on the OS that I already paid for!

I decided I didn't care what I had to give up, it was worth it to be rid of Microsoft's clutches forever. Switched to Linux and I've never looked back.

Turns out, I actually didn't have to sacrifice much at all, and the few things I don't have anymore are nothing compared to the benefits of using Linux and FOSS software.

Everything works better for me too, more stable, updates are rarer and wayyyyy faster when I push them. No more fighting with AMD driver hell in Windows, no more weird lockups or crashes, a million times more customization options, and zero bloat or spyware installed by default on my system.

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[–] mintyogi@lemmy.zip 16 points 4 months ago

Solid gaming support

[–] popekingjoe@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

The final straw for me was Microsoft reinstalling software I had removed with updates, as well as installing crapware like Candy Crush, all in the background and without permission or notifying me. I left Windows back in August 2021 for Arch.

Until recently I had kept a Windows VM with a GPU passthrough set up until I decided I was done with Destiny 2. Now the only remnant of Windows in my life is a simple desktop in my living room that has a game I can only play on Windows, which is currently being ported to PS5. Once that port is released, it'll be converted to a server running some atomic distro and become a fully dedicated server, and Windows will be fully removed from my life, ignoring PCs outside of my control like embedded systems.

[–] ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

At first I was tipping my toes in Ubuntu but kept coming back to Windows as I kept running into stability issues. Googling my issues very frequently kept sending me to the Arch wiki, and I thought "well if they have so much covered, why not use this distro instead". That and 196 subreddit (rule) made me try Arch, and my experience was noticeably better. Barely any crashes and improving Proton compatibility made me use it more and more. I kept a windows install for VR and anti-cheat enabled games until late 2023.

During my transition period (both in Linux and gender lol) between 2021 and now, I kept getting comments "why are you making your life harder with Linux, just use Windows where everything works". Well, nowadays tables have turned and now I get to say "weird it works for me on Linux". Except VR, it's still a mixed experience.

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[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I got a new PC. I installed Windows on it. I felt dirty, so I said fuck it, and installed Linux instead.

It wasn't any one specific thing, but a lifetime of windows frustrations adding up, on top of a growing frustration with enshittified tools and services in general

That was 4 months ago.

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Two things coming together finalized my choice to leave Windows:

  • the ability to play almost every game on Linux thanks to Valve
  • the fact that you couldn't create a local account during a Windows install (back when I discovered this you still technically could with some workarounds; I don't know if you still can but you shouldn't have to put in any effort IMHO)
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[–] Atrichum@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Wobbly windows, rotating cube workspace switcher, and a flaming bonanza animation when a windows was closed.

The year was ~2003

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[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Two things:

  1. I have an old refurbished Thinkpad that I originally bought as a backup navigation computer for a month-long sailboat voyage. It had Windows originally and was "fine", by which I mean slow but acceptable for navigation purposes. When I was forced to update to Windows 10, the performance was no longer tolerable, so I hardly used it for about four years. I also had a Windows gaming PC, so no big deal.
  2. About a year ago, I got a shiny new Windows gaming PC. I was trying to decide what to do with my old gaming PC, which had the same problem as my laptop: it could barely crawl under the weight of years of Windows OS "upgrades". I got it into my head that I should build a media PC with it since Netflix kind of sucks now. That lead me down the self-hosting and Linux rabbit hole.

Before I knew it, I had my old gaming PC running Proxmox and attached to my main television, I bought an old Dell Poweredge server (also running Proxmox), an old Compellant storage shelf with 20 SAS drives, a Tripp-Lite UPS, and a 24-port network switch. I also discovered Docker. So, now I fucking love Linux and I'm a fiend for self-hosting and media streaming. And how do I centrally control all of this infrastructure? That's right, my old Thinkpad got a new lease on life running Arch and I can run all of my server infrastructure using the terminal, emacs, and web interfaces. Fuck yeah.

And what happened to my beautiful, expensive new Alienware Windows gaming PC? After playing a couple hundred hours of Cyberpunk, it just sits there. Now I'm addicted to Dwarf Fortress on my old Arch Thinkpad and I don't think about high-spec AAA games much.

I had no idea this would happen when I started this Linux journey. Life is strange.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

it rebooted itself while i left it overnight doing an important render.

thats after i fucked with it for hours to turn automatic updates OFF.

i would probably still be on windows 10 if it werent for microsoft going out of their way to make it shitty.

[–] bsergay@discuss.online 9 points 4 months ago

The pursuit of Freedom led me to Linux.

[–] beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 4 months ago

What pushed me over the edge: the threat of Windows screenshotting everything I did.

Absolutely fucking not. Took it all to Ubuntu the day after I heard. Couple days later everything I need was set up & a few months later I haven’t looked back

[–] Lippy@fedia.io 9 points 4 months ago

The turning point was when Windows was no longer set and forget. Windows 7 was the last time that was the case before I had to put any real work into it.

I put up with Windows 10 for a bit and wrote a script to neutralise bloat and configure the OS to some saner settings, then I could keep things consistent between installations. That was fine for a while.

But over time Microsoft became more unhinged and my script evolved into several larger scripts in order to deal with the BS. It became an endless cat and mouse game and I found that I was wasting too much of my time maintaining it just to have a OS that was clean of crap.

The last straw was when a botched update gutted the performance of my PC, and Microsoft took several months to fix the issue. I installed Debian which just worked, and it was good timing because Windows 11 was announced shortly afterwards. I've experienced it at work and it's hands down the worst OS I've ever used, and I've used pretty much every version of Windows since 3.1. I think I'd even take Me over it. At least that OS sucked because it was poorly designed. Windows 11 is intentionally hostile to its users.

It wasn't my first rodeo with Linux since I've been on and off with it since 2007. Still, I was pleasantly surprised at how well it works out of the box these days.

A few months later and I had built my new machine. I didn't even bother to install Windows on it. Now I use Arch btw and haven't looked back.

[–] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Shit just not working with no way to fix it. I had aux speakers. They didn’t work on windows. Worked on Linux out of the box. Had a micro sd card. Was detected by Windows but couldn’t mount. Try to format. Windows said your card seams to be broken. Worked on Linux out of the box. The main problem wasn’t stuff breaking, it happens on Linux too, but stuff just breaking for no apparent reason and there being no way to fix it made me use Linux full time

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[–] owsei@programming.dev 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

The pandemic and programming.

I was watching some tutorials and saw how easily people used the terminal, and how clunky cmd felt.

Next day I had ubuntu running.

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[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When Microsoft started enforcing online accounts to use my computer. It was then that I fully jumped ship. I was using Linux way before that for my media server, HTPC, etc., but it was that and the Steam Deck that made me finally fully jump.

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[–] LennethAegis@fedia.io 8 points 4 months ago

Windows 11 serving me ads in the OS was a step too far. Windows 10 already had them as apps in every update that annoyed me, but 11 took them to a new level that was too far for me.

[–] bruhbeans@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

I really liked having a login screen, so I switched to Mandrake from Windows 95

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 4 months ago

Microshit flipping back privacy settings on win11 among other bullshit.

Tried monitoring network connections, there is no way tell what windows is doing. Blocking them will break the OS... I was done.

[–] Pharceface@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

For me it was partially Windows 10 placing suggested apps and ads in the UI. The other part was just curiosity. After some distro hopping I landed on Mint, then Fedora and finally Arch where I've been for about two or three years.

[–] HarriPotero@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

I switched in 1997.

The internet was taking off, and it was built on Linux and un*ces. It was just a lot more fun.

Also, C-programming. M$ had just gotten protected memory in NT4.0, but a lot of applications just didn't run on NT. It'd take another three years before protected memory hit mainstream with win2k. No novice programmer wants their computer to bluescreen every time they do a tiny little out of bounds error.

[–] Okami_No_Rei@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Lots of little things, but the straw that broke the camel's back was the constant pop-ups asking me to try out Copilot in Win10, harassing me daily on both on my personal PC and my work laptop.

Windows has been on thin ice since the trash fire that was Win8, and I'd only stuck with it for Nvidia driver support for gaming. I've been watching Proton development for years now, and putting it through its paces on my older PCs every few months, so I knew I was ready to make the switch for about a year before I finally pulled the trigger. I justified putting it off with the thought that "I can build my next PC around an AMD graphics card amd make the switch then."

Then Win11 and all its garbage was announced, AI took off, and Microsoft started pushing their slop on my machine harder than ever. It was too much. I switched to Mint DE on my current machine and haven't looked back.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I wanted to learn programming and I heard Linux was nice. I remember setting up Java on Linux was pain (2012) and I decided to try Linux and see what happens.

I decided to go for a learning experience and installed Arch, I got through the installation and was shown KDE and I was amazed until something weird broke. The utter bliss of customising the UI to my liking was so good.

I then tried Ubuntu, it worked but I was disappointed it wasn't KDE but I liked the part where all the guides online were basically geared towards Ubuntu/Debian setups.

So I checked out KDEs website and I saw KDE Neon and thought "That's the one for me. Based on Ubuntu with latest KDE." not wrong, but not right either. I entered KDE Neon when it was still a dev distro without knowing. Stuff broke every now and then but nothing major. KDE Neon since v6 has been amazing. I've had a couple of Wayland crashes but the bloody thing restores everything in the exact same place, same activity, virtual desktop, size and all and it has only happened once since v6.

KDE just keeps getting better.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Becoming a Communist.

That, and increased gaming support, and a Thinkpad that struggled over time given renewed life with Arch.

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[–] dsilverz@thelemmy.club 6 points 4 months ago

Back in the days I used to use Windows, I did use Linux as a developer sometimes, yet I was sticking to a daily usage of Windows... Until Windows 10, when Windows started to be aggressive on how it won't let me control my own machine (e.g. I couldn't disable updates the way I wanted, I couldn't run some softwares, I couldn't this and I couldn't that). Then I said "enough" and started using Linux on a daily basis, firstly Ubuntu, then I started to experiment on other Linux distros, until I finally landed on Arch Linux, as it's highly customizable and let me have full control of my own machine, not being stuck to specific DEs (I know that distros like Ubuntu allow the user to uninstall the current DE, or install other simultaneous DEs, but Arch comes without any DE from scratch). I've been using Linux on a daily basis for almost a decade now and I don't miss Windows.

[–] lemann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Windows 7 being discontinued.

I migrated my HTPC to Linux several years ago, and since then just transitioned more and more of my machines over.

My desktop is the only machine left running Windows at this point due to there being no Freetrack implementation on Linux for sim games

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[–] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Schorsch@feddit.org 6 points 4 months ago

I just wanted the wobbly windows back in 2007.

[–] dotslashme@infosec.pub 6 points 4 months ago

Honestly I got started due to curiosity and well, it turned out Linux was a rabbit hole and so down I went.

[–] tuna@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 4 months ago

My reasons were more hardware related. When I was a bit younger my parents gave me a netbook which had 32 GB of storage, and Windows used almost all of it. I wanted to do creative projects in my free time, but I couldn't install programs or save any of my work. I would often restart to clear log files and gain a bit more working storage, which was extremely annoying because it took like 5 mins for the computer to finally settle down and be usable.

I eventually got a 32GB flash drive which helped a lot, but it was not enough. With 4GB ram I could only have about 3 browser tabs open, and not all the programs I wanted could be run off the flash drive. It was still resource management hell.

Somehow, some way, I learned about Linux. I got a 128GB microSD, put Mint on it. It truly set me free. I could install the software I wanted, I could make the things I wanted to make, I could open more programs at once, and I could do it all without unbearable lag. I never looked back since.

[–] gramgan@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

My final straw was getting a new MacBook Air (I was at that point fine with how UNIX-y macOS was) and realizing I couldn’t dock the laptop to more than one external monitor without some weird hacky third-party software fix. Why, you ask? Well not at all because the laptop technically couldn’t do it, but because Apple said it can’t, because they want to overcharge you on a Pro.

I promptly returned the MacBook, bought a Framework on eBay, and learned NixOS.

10/10, I haven’t looked back since.

[–] hjjanger@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

For me it's the ability to use my hardware as long as I want after a tech company's EOL. When I was on Windows 7 and it reached EOL my machine was unusable. Couldn't go back because I waited to long. Then I updated my machine and Windows 10's EOL was set and again, machine will be not be safe to use. I switched to Linux before that release date but the way Microsoft does with these EOL dates, for me isn't sustainable. I dont need to buy a new machine every few years. I want my machines to be a usable and secure for as long as I want it to with minimal impact to my finances and stop simply just throwing old machines away. And if I run into a distro that my machine isn't beefy enough for, I have distro-hopped around enough to be able to go to something else but still be in the Linux-verse.

The stuff like, better for privacy, open source etc., those benefits came after.

[–] airikr@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

2 very good reasons: privacy and Big Tech.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

VMs are what really did it for me. I was working at a health care job doing IT. Whenever someone wanted a new server I'd have to buy the hardware install the hardware load Windows server on it load the middleware on it, connect it to the SAN, add it to the complicated backup schedule. Literally anything anyone wanted took me a month.

I threw an ESXi box in connected it to the SAN once, worked out a mirroring backup solution. Now I could slice up one decent size box into dozens of smaller boxes. My real limitation was Windows licensing. Server and CALs and middleware gets pricey quickly. But I can install as much community-based open source as I want.

I started running Linux of the desktop to keep up with technology. Before long the vast majority of my servers were Linux.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

I'm glad to see other people go into Linux for positive reasons instead of just hating Windows. What really got me was Compiz. Initially, it was all the crazy effects like wobbly windows, but soon I realized how much I liked the "Workspace" paradigm and then being able to customize things as much as I wanted. Then, the whole free software thing, distro-hopping, the great communities, etc.

[–] angelmountain@feddit.nl 6 points 4 months ago

It used to be just because I was interested. Then life got in between and I ditched it a bit, until Microsoft announced that "find anything you ever did"-feature. I installed Ubuntu again after quite a few years and stayed because I finally did not have to spend 3 days to get my video card working "kinda" and I found out my games actually work. No need to use Windows anymore.

[–] Thunderhelm@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

I love tinkering through and through. Started learning about Linux on raspberry pis a long time ago, jailbroke a chormebook to make it usable, and went "hey wait, tinkering with this and having more control is so much cooler." Don't need rainmeter when the desktop has customization built in

[–] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

I replaced windows on my laptop with Ubuntu and stopped using it after realizing how unimpressed I was with the difference. Years later I took the OSCP course, and they required using Kali.

From there I fell in love. Things that would have taken hours and weird 3rd party installers to do in Windows came with the OS or were in the official repos. The CLI showed me unimaginable power over every bit of the computer, and in windows the Conmand Prompt CLI is pretty mediocre; Powershell is better, but is more about data processing than running software. Linux has SSH and Python installed with one sentence, windows graphical installers are a bloated nightmare. There wasn't random shitty third party software installed by the OEM who struck a deal with the OS maintainers.

After that, it was a cascade of disillusionment. Those nasty 3rd party apps I didn't install showing up in my start menu? Actually ads, I was just using cognitive dissonance to avoid admitting that. And the proprietary programs aren't better, they update more frequently just to introduce ads, harvest more data, and change their layout to make it seem like they did anything to help the end users.

Why does changing any meaningful settings require tampering in the registry? Why is this low level stuff documented so poorly? Why can't I turn off telemetry completely? Why can't I check what code is running in the kernel that I purchased and am running ON MY COMPUTER??? IT'S MY COMPUTER, NOT MICROSOFT'S. Why the FUCK should I let them run code that I can't legally review, much less change, on it?

If someone offered you a meal but refused to tell you about any of the ingredients, you just wouldn't eat it. Not "you'd be suspicious," it goes beyond that: you'd be too suspicious to eat it. If someone offered you a home security system that you could have "spy on you minimally" you'd tell them where they could stick it. If it came with your house, you'd remove it immediately. If either of those people tried to charge you for it, you'd laugh in their face.

Yet for some reason, when it's our computers doing the spying and whatever else we can't verify, we've learned to just put up with it? This is BULLSHIT.

And I have too much pride to be treated like a mark, I won't take being scammed lying down anymore. I'm not a hapless dipshit who just lets people have their way with her because it's "too hard to learn new things." I've always said I have some integrity to protect, so I better prove it or forever be a hypocrite.

I already use only Linux at home, I'd have to get my company to switch to let me run it at work.

[–] zelifcam@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

The Halloween Documents are a set of internal Microsoft memoranda that were leaked to the open-source community in 1998. The documents outlined Microsoft's strategies and attitudes towards open-source software, particularly the growing threat posed by Linux. They are named after the fact that the first document was leaked around Halloween in 1998.

[–] Thrickles@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

I really started to dislike Windows and projects like Bazzite made it incredibly easy to make the jump. The wife is now gaming in Linux for the same reasons.

[–] ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Finding a good MusicBee alternative on linux. I just dual boot into windows whenever I need to convert FLACs and organize it. Otherwise I'm on Linux 99% of the time now.

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[–] sazey@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

To be fair my Windows experience was far simpler than Linux, if less fulfilling. What got me was a combination of constant attacks on privacy, W11 and the enshittification of the UI as well as general Microsoft corporate tomfoolery (have dealt with them for work, not a fan of their monopolistic EEE tactics).

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