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[–] li10@feddit.uk 153 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (22 children)

tbf, Caitlin Clark is the only WNBA player that’s profitable, and she’s kinda limited salary wise by the fact that the women’s league in general is not profitable and heavily subsidised by the NBA.

People will bitch about how the men’s league gets paid so much in comparison, then proceed to not watch the women’s league…

If you want it to make money YOU need to support it 🫵

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 50 points 2 months ago (20 children)

This has always been my stance, Women make up approximately 50% of the population and the WNBA generates 2% of the revenue that the NBA does...

My wife and her friends go to some restaraunt once a month and they buy brand name workout clothes. Go to a game, buy a jersey, take your daughter and make it a thing.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 34 points 2 months ago (10 children)

This is a great response. If you want to support them, great! Donate, volunteer, watch their games, whatever. For the rest of us, it's an entertainment product. I don't watch WNBA because I don't watch NBA, or any sports. But if you like basketball, yet draw the line at the players' genitals, that's weird.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I would think that the kind of people who watch NBA, would want to watch the WNBA.

It's the same concepts, but with women. I would think the mostly straight/male sports audience would want to watch their favorite sport where the players are also the gender they like to stare at.

Yet, here we are.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Have you ever seen a WNBA game? Sure, it's the same sport but that logic applies to middle school basketball teams as well and no one gives a shit about those either regardless of the gender of the athletes involved.

The reason professional sports are fun to watch is you get to see the best athletes in the world push the limits of what is physically possible for a human to achieve. Top level women cannot compete with top level men in any regularly televised sport, including basketball. No one wants to watch Caitlin Clark on channel 3 when LeBron James is doing way more impressive things on channel 6. That's just the way it is. I don't get why people pretend that isn't obvious and get offended by it.

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[–] Tom_Hanx_the_Actor@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's totally unfair to use Caitlin Clark as an example of the pay disparity as well. She's a rookie on a pay scale. Her salary is less than half the average wnba salary. What's really crazy to me is that the average salary is about 150k with only one woman making over 250k. For the salaries to be that flat seems odd compared to other pro sports but it's just a part of the W having less revenue. Athletes have very strong unions also.

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[–] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago

Is bill burr on lemmy?

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm gonna bet that corporate executives are bigoted assholes and increases in profits won't substantially go to the women players.

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[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 2 months ago

In Brazil, is even more common now to people gather to watch the women football national team, not at the level of the men one, but there's even companies where they close up when any of the two teams play, to give people opportunity to see the game.

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[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 107 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (11 children)

Part of me says the real solution is to stop paying people $12m a year to throw balls around, but then again compared to the amount the people who own the teams and league get, shits chump change.

[–] Soleos@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's not that they throw a ball around really well, it's that the NBA brings in over 10 billion in annual revenue because of these players. How much are you willing to pay someone to bring in that amount of money?

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is kind of what people are missing. These people really do produce millions of dollars worth of labour. That's how entertainers are paid; the more people want to see their performance, the more that performance is worth.

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[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If anything, more athletes need big paychecks to more evenly distribute wealth from the top. Anything to drive that money into the hands of others.

[–] jmiller@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

The first change needs to be teams pay for their own stadiums instead of them being taxpayer funded from cites and states. I don't care if it will drive tourism, use that money to take care of the purple in the city and make the city a nice place, even make it a nice place for a stadium, but make the team owners/pro leagues pay for their own damn stadium.

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[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Sure but if someone paid you $12m a year to throw a ball around, would you take it?

If another team offered you $13m would you change teams?

If everyone else is getting paid $12m, can I just pay you $50k?

Also if the entire NBA colluded to reduce everyones pay by $1m per year, every year, would that be fair and reasonable?

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[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 53 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is that your final answer?

[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 50 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Considering 1 percent of 12 million is 120k I guess that's about right.

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[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This reminds me of how well I can do algebra and calculus but need to whip out the calculator for the tip.

[–] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Tips are easy. You move the decimal point (10%) and double (20%). Or find 10%, half of 10% is 5% and add that 5% to whatever 10% was for a 15% tip. And fudge the numbers to make the math easier when it makes sense to, it's a tip not a math test.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 months ago

You're going to far. 0% of any sum is 0

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is the way I do it. Often I just divide by ten and multiply by two, but I'm a generous tipper, and it's one less head math step.

The funny thing is that this basically how common core math works: get to the answer by doing as much easy math as possible.

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[–] Willy@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)

why doesn't she just play in the NBA?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you want a serious answer: athletic ability

She isn’t strong or fast enough

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[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

In NBA history, only 1 female player has ever been drafted- Luisa Harris. She did not actually make the team though, or anyways she never played in a game. I don't quite remember. The door is open for women to play-the NBA does not prohibit it, nor do any of the "men's leagues"-it just never happens because women are not good enough.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The WNBA's revenue of $70 million is what percent of the NBA's revenue of $10 billion?

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

And how much of The profitability of that industry is owed to state sponsorship, tax breaks, and Monopoly exceptions?

Professional sports needs to learn how to pay its own bills before it can be used as an example of why women's sports aren't profitable.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is that... Nick Kroll and John Mulaney?

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[–] Good4Nuthin@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

either way, that would buy a lotta tuna.

[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Nick Kroll does not look impressed. Then again, he never does.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

This is the real reason why I think trans women should be able to play women's sports: Nobody really gives a fuck about women's sports.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 20 points 2 months ago

Except maybe women, but they don't really count as people, right?

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