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[–] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 84 points 11 months ago (5 children)

c/dataishorrifyinganddepressing

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Seriously! I had no idea so few people voted.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago (7 children)

The government should partner with McDonald’s and offer a free double cheeseburger with proof of voting.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Election Day should be a national holiday to give folks a chance to vote.

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[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The government should pass a law that it's required to vote, or give a reasonable explanation why you can't. Employers are punished for keeping their employees from voting.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 23 points 11 months ago

Hi, it's me, Australia, you might remember me from such democratic innovations as the secret ballot and mandatory voting, America will never have mandatory voting because it works about as well as gun control, single payer health care, and the metric system.

Also many places have mandatory voting but very few enforce it, I would put money on America being one of those places if it somehow got a foothold.

[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Its actually illegal to do this. Yes, that's stupid.

[–] Ioughttamow@kbin.run 12 points 11 months ago

It should be whiskey like the founders intended

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[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Counter-proposition: you get to choose - either you cast the vote, or you get the free burger.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I think the free burger would entice more people to vote than the threat of getting a burger if you don’t.

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[–] fermionsnotbosons@lemmy.ml 43 points 11 months ago

I would also like to see a similar graph for mid-term elections. Do the winners even get 10% of the eligible votes?

[–] rarWars@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The percentages for 2016 only add up to 97, and the 40% bar is longer than the 41% of 2012.

[–] Klaymore@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe 3% voted for a third party, and because they aren't shown the other bars expand to fill the entire space

[–] rarWars@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They could've done a little green sliver like they did for 1980.

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[–] Vlixz@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Maybe a really dumb question and I'm not from the US but why did Hilary lose in 2016 when she had more votes than Donald Trump? That doesn't really make any sense to me

[–] Michal@programming.dev 11 points 11 months ago

Because in the US democracy every vote is equal, but some are more equal than others.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

We were supposed to be a representative democracy with one rep for every 33,000 Americans. When voting for president each state gets one vote per rep and one for each of their two senators.

A while back some assholes decided that 33,000 is too representative and we should have a fixed number instead. So now it turns out that Wyoming should get one rep for every 58,000 Americans so their votes are worth far more than a Californian's.

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[–] MacStache@programming.dev 29 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I've never understood why there is a voting system where the one with most votes can lose.

[–] meeeeetch@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They usually justify it by saying it's to prevent the tyranny of the majority (two wolves and a sheep biting on dinner).

But a case could be made that it's a way to keep the elite entrenched.

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[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The founders were a gentleman's club. Which is basically a fraternity. They made up rules that made sense to a bunch of frat boy farmers with enlightenment libraries.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t call them farmers. Partly because a variety of wealthy professions were represented and mostly because the ones who called themselves farmers didn’t do any farming, they forced enslaved people to farm for them.

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[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

It was a compromise so the smaller states were willing to join the United States. Same reason there are two senators for each state.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 24 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Also worth noting: Republicans have only once won the popular vote since the turn of this century, in 2004 for George W. Bush's reelection, when he had both the incumbent advantage and was still riding the post-9/11 patriotism wave

or put another way, the democratic candidate have won the popular vote on 5/6 presidential elections this century

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

when he had both the incumbent advantage and was still riding the post-9/11 patriotism wave

And slandering John Kerry, actual veteran and protestor, with "swiftboating" horseshit.

W's media goons were some of the slimiest motherfuckers ever to darken Washington's marble halls.

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[–] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Only a 7% increase after that nightmare.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 16 points 11 months ago

7% is enough to swing any election in history (the part of it that is shown on the chart)

[–] stalfoss@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

I think even more horrifying is that more people voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That orange party sure does win a lot of elections.

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[–] ownsauce@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Should split this out by electoral college votes/states where the 'did not vote' could actually have made a difference. This is great info but also a bit misleading cause votes in swing states have more of an effect than increasing votes in deeply blue or deeply red states. The US president is not selected by a national popular vote. See on the chart how W Bush won the election but Gore had the popular vote, due to how the electoral college works.

Not discounting that more people should vote. I wish there were a national holiday in the US for everyone to get out and vote. But some votes matter more than others, depending on where you live, and this chart misses that nuance.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There is a map like that out there, if I remember correctly like 40+ states had “did not vote” win…

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[–] glizzard@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 months ago

This makes me kinda ill. Like I almost cried a bit looking over these numbers. And I’ve seen some shit.

[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

There should be a tax incentive for voting or something

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 29 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Step 1: make voting compulsory

Step 2: move it to a weekend

Step 3: easy access to prepoll or postal voting for people who can't make it on the official day

Bonus step: change voting system to IRV, or even better, to something proportional like MMP or STV

There you go. America has a functioning electoral system.

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[–] earmuff@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Quick reminder: In Switzerland, we have the ability to vote on everything. We get educated like that from the early childhood on, that voting is important and necessary. Even with that concept, the average voter participation is between 40-50%. So even if you might think a lot of people are not voting - yes, true, but you will never be able to increase it much above 50% IMHO.

[–] Focal@pawb.social 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In norway, the lowest voter turnout we've ever had is 75.4%

[–] earmuff@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Fuck me, that’s awesome. Then Switzerland and the US are clearly doing something wrong. What is the average voter participation in Norway and how often can people vote?

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[–] khannie@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Australia has mandatory voting which is an interesting one. Quick search tells me the last turnout was nearly 90%.

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

There should be a No Vote tax, make it just $1–10 or something small. If you vote, you don’t pay it. Use the money to help pay for administering the elections (wouldn’t cover everything, but it’d help).

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

Should we fix the system so that people both want to and can vote for candidates they want?

No, that wouldn't be American. Make something punitive that can be disproportionately leveraged against the poor and marginalized community neighborhoods.

[–] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 9 points 11 months ago

That sounds like unnecessarily punishing low income people, in my opinion it would be better to give the 10$ to those who vote.

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