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[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 272 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This is all anyone needs to know to understand what we’re up against.

There will be no democracy if he wins.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 107 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Biden said it explicitly on his last speech. Of course he also said this was a fight for democracy in 2020. He was right then too, but it never came true so people forgot.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 61 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's frustrating that if you fight against a thing and beat it, folks think there was no need to fight it in the first place. No. We routed evil temporarily. Great victory; still needs to be defeated again every time it rears its head.

[–] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I've been using the Death Star as an analogy for my nerd friends. Yes, we won a big battle, but the Empire isn't dead. Gotta keep fighting.

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[–] TuxCat@midwest.social 11 points 3 months ago

There's actually a term for that phenomenon: the Preparedness Paradox.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It almost did on January 6.

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There will be no democracy if he wins.

Given the outright rigging by voter registration culling, limited polling places, voter intimidation, gerrymandering and electoral nullification/tampering, winning so big that they can't overcome the results is critical.

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 months ago

Get ready for swing state violence. With polling places severely reduced in swing states in left leaning areas, we will see more rhetoric about “2A people can take care of that”.

What will happen is that polling place will be closed, and no one will be allowed to vote. Since the books won’t be changed to another location, all those people will have their rights taken away. SCOTUS will say in a 6-3 decision “can only vote on this date”, and by doing so will also strip away voting by mail.

[–] soul@lemmy.world 125 points 3 months ago (2 children)

He hasn't been afraid to say the quiet part out loud for a while now. This isn't news, it's more like a final echo off of a once-distant wall that's just about within reach.

If enough people don't get off their ass in November and vote to put Harris, the only other ACTUALLY REALISTIC choice, into office, then the final dominoes will fall.

I'm looking at all of you casual voters who don't go every time. I'm looking at you independent voters. I'm looking at you remaining "undecided" wafflers. I'm looking at you unregistered "it's too hard “ and "I'm too busy" people.

If Trump gets into office again, that's on all of you, and you're gonna be part of the problem if you aren't part of the solution. NOBODY else is gonna do it for you. NONE of the other names that might appear on a ballot in your state will have a snowball's chance in hell. If you don't like Harris, that's fine, you don't have to like her, but choosing not to vote for Harris is giving your vote to Trump.

So get off your lazy ass for a few minutes to help save the world for what looks like it might be more than the next 4 years; it could be for a lot longer. And while you're at it, if you keep voting Republicans into Congress, State, and local governments, (where most of the power ACTUALLY is), then they will keep working us all toward this kind of position. Stop putting them in power. Period.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If Trump gets into office again, that’s on all of you, and you’re gonna be part of the problem if you aren’t part of the solution. NOBODY else is gonna do it for you. NONE of the other names that might appear on a ballot in your state will have a snowball’s chance in hell. If you don’t like Harris, that’s fine, you don’t have to like her, but choosing not to vote for Harris is giving your vote to Trump.

I have a cousin who insists on voting for Jill Stein because she doesn't want to vote for Trump but "I could never in good conscience vote for a Democrat". I know people who buy into the "I have to withhold my vote (or vote third party, or whatever) because withholding your vote is the only way to force change and bring about ranked choice voting". I know people who won't vote for Biden over Afghanistan or the Israel conflict while fully acknowledging that Trump would be exponentially worse, but saying "Voting for Biden (now Harris) would be endorsing his actions, so I can't do that."

And sadly, I do wonder how many of these people are just closet Republicans who are down with the racism and bigotry, and use those reasons to justify the fact that they just really wanted to vote for Trump in the first place but aren't ready to admit it yet.

Some of these people don't know how the system works, and others don't care. They believe they're taking some kind of "principled stance" and think that somehow, in a two-person race (none of the other independent candidates even appear on enough ballots to make it to 270 in the first place), they can get people to not vote for Biden (now Harris) but still somehow not end up with Trump, as long as they Jill Stein hard enough.

They don't understand......One road leads to Harris. All other roads lead to Trump. There are no other candidates that could even mathematically make it to 270. As the song goes, "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." Voting third party, or not voting at all in 'protest', is just voting for Trump with extra steps.

So get off your lazy ass for a few minutes to help save the world for what looks like it might be more than the next 4 years; it could be for a lot longer. And while you’re at it, if you keep voting Republicans into Congress, State, and local governments, (where most of the power ACTUALLY is), then they will keep working us all toward this kind of position. Stop putting them in power. Period.

And this is where you can tell who are the closeted Republicans. If they're voting D at the top of the ticket, then voting R downballot, they're a closeted Republican. They may not want to have to justifty their vote when they're sitting around with friends and family talking about the President, or your state governor, or whatever, where voting for Trump may still be considered embarrassing. But they'll have no problem voting for the bigot to sit on their local school board because they know nobody's gonna talk about who voted for who in the school board election of East Bumfuck, Nowhere.

It's why all but the most extreme (and often unemployed, violent felons) Proud Boys or Klansmen won't show up in public with their faces exposed. They want all the racism and bigotry, they just don't want to be covered with all the stink that goes along with it. So they quietly vote these people into power so they can get what they want while still pretending to be Democrats until they think they don't need to pretend any more.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again because I have seen no reason to believe otherwise: These issues will never go away until we address the systemic racism in this country at a grassroots level. And we have not even achieved step 1: We need to acknowledge that there are a lot more racists and bigots in this country than we were comfortable admitting to, and those people see everything that Trump has to offer and are saying "Yes, we want more of that.". But as a country, we are not willing to admit how deep the problem is and have spent the past 60 or so years pretending to solve the problem when all we've really managed to accomplish is sweeping it under the rug and pretending it doesn't exist, and we are now seeing the results of pretending that a significant portion of our voting base that is just as racist now as they were back in the 60s and before are just some fringe lunatics that can be safely ignored. They are not. There are a lot of them, and Trump has successfully coralled them into a very powerful voting bloc. And until that is addressed, this problem will continue no matter how many band-aids you try to stick on it. I'm not even saying I have any kind of a solution to that problem -- I'm a straight, white guy after all, but I do know enough to be able to say I don't know what the solution is, but I do know that what we're doing isn't it.

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[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

"But my vote doesn't count" or some bullahit

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 97 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Man isn't even pretending to hide it anymore.

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 27 points 3 months ago
[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 75 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Title from every media company out there should say "trump wants to end democracy and become it's dictator"

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 12 points 3 months ago (4 children)

“Yeah, but Harris is a woman and also…yah know…” - Libertarians and swing voters.

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[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Have to = be allowed to

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Dlayknee@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I really want to give him the entirely unwarranted benefit of the doubt that he's saying it won't matter in 4 years bc he won't be running (making the assumption he'll win this time and reach his term limit) but having watched the video I dunno, that "we'll have it fixed by then" sounds reeeeaaally ominous.

[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

It looks like the real benefit of the doubt is that he's hopefully talking about laws on voter ID being fixed. Still, what the hell is a presidential candidate doing telling people they don't need to vote anymore? Even with the benefit of the doubt, this shit is ominous.

Edit: to be clear, I don't give him the benefit of the doubt. All I'm saying is if somebody wants to, this is the best they're able to do. It's also important to be aware of the context of the quote, even if you believe he means it in the worst way.

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

When did giving trump the benefit of the doubt ever work?

It wasn't even a dog whistle, it was a fog horn. There's not much room for interpretion.

Mr dictator on day one obviously wants to stay a dictator.

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[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

This man is unbelievable. And I mean that quite literally. Don't believe him, believe the subtext. He wants to end Democracy.

[–] unconsciousvoidling@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This needs to be front page news and of course it isn’t.

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 months ago

CNN is trying to figure out what to do with their 350,000 LLM made articles about Biden being too old.

They keep trying to make stories about Harris, but since the LLM’s are trained on Reddit all it is doing is spewing out hardcore racism.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Trump saying he has the Election Fixed is PROOF that DEMOCRATS engaged in Election Fraud!

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

His faith in his future is about to be dashed to smithereens

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 5 points 3 months ago

If it is, then we fight. Same as last time around.

[–] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So think of the SpongeBob meme where he keeps revealing more dirty diapers. We are currently at the panel where he points out the window to the mountain of diapers.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But what do you do when you realize that half the people you're pointing the mountain out to have a diaper kink?

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[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 months ago

Not doing anything atm, just talking

Once elected he can make it legal

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Because the Supreme Court just said it is.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Lucian Truscott thinks it is all about not having elections any longer once he gets in. I'm not so sure. I think it means more that he will get the "Christian" agenda put in place so his MAGA crowd no longer has to fight to get their ideas ensconced into law. But his entire approach has been that he will contest the election if he doesn't win. And he certainly didn't want to abide by the voters actions last election. He wants to rule for life. And then he wants his sons to take over.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

His dumb fuckin kids couldn't take over an unfinished donut.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A Christian agenda, not the Christian agenda. The thing that most people don't get is that in the USA alone there are at least 200 different sects of Christianity and they have some very different ideas and they feel very strongly about those difference. Any voter who thinks Trump is going to enshrine their particular flavor of Christianity as law is a fool twice over. Even if he did manage to enshrine any particular sects rules into law, the chances of it being that particular voter's flavor of Christianity is incredibly small.

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

he will contest the election if he doesn’t win

Republicans say it will be "bloodless" if they get their way. Take that as a warning.

[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 months ago

Maybe he plans to have all the christian’s thrown into internment camps so they would not get to vote anymore.

[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Or more literally: You won’t have a choice

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