The 1968 Democratic convention choose Hubert Humphrey. He did not receive most of the primary votes.
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I would hope that the DNC learned their fuckin lesson in 1968 and 2016, and would be okay with the will of the people and putting up the most popular person, but I'm going to go ahead and assume that that is still too much to ask. 😕
Problem is, there is zero time for another primary to gauge who is the general public currently wants the most at this moment in time. All we really have is the last general election as the last real moment that the general public picked their heads of the DNC. Since Biden / Harris are incumbents, and challenging a presidential incumbent is rare AF, they didn’t really have a primary.
IMHO, if you want to respect the voters, you kind of need to pretend that Biden has been incapacitated and Harris is being called up from his bench.
And on top of that, she’s already on the ballots, already has the war chest of campaign cash, etc. Strategically, she is going to have the best shot. State GOP folks will have a hard time blocking her from ballot, and she can immediately start a well funded ground campaign. No one else can really do that.
Yeah. And she polls better than literally everyone else who isn’t a weird and nonsensical spoiler insertion. So you could say that’s as close to a primary as we will get.
They'll listen to their wealthiest donors before the rest of us.
So are you suggesting Dean Phillips (the biggest non-Biden vote getter in the primary) or Jason Palmer (the only person other than Biden to win a primary, with American Samoa) should be the nominee?
Fuck no
I hope the lesson they learn this time is to have a primary EVERY time. Don’t just assume the incumbent is the candidate.
Biden got more votes than Bernie.
And Bernie did better in cuacus states, where the DNC would have been able to weild more influence.
Everyone else transferred their votes to Biden after Super Tuesday in 2020 so that Bernie wouldn't win. Biden was middle of the pack or lower before all the other Primary Candidates conceded to Biden.
That way the media could say Biden got more primary votes, because Bernie wasn't willing to play along with the DNC control over policy.
Little matter of Bobby Kennedy getting shot might have played a part in that.
Bingo. Nonetheless, in 1968 the convention chose the candidate.
Let's have a contested convention
Let's have a leader with a mandate
Please let's not just have the DNC pick Harris and declare that she's the answer
Fuckin hell man I hate having the future of my country in the hands of the goddamned DNC
Of course even typing it out, I pretty much know what the resolution is going to be
How would you even see this working with 106 days to election, and a month to the convention? There's not enough time for anything to really happen but Harris taking the ticket. Any other alternative will detract from votes, and they know that. It's going to be Harris.
Yeah, you might be right. There is a front page article that talks about how exactly that used to be the way that we did it. And I do very much like the idea of having a genuine marketplace of candidates. We already paid the heavy heavy fuckin price of taking the incumbent away, we might as well do everything possible to make sure the replacement is going to be the definitely strongest candidate. But you may have a point.
Harris is fine. She's a functional adult and doesn't want to destroy the world, and she's apparently sharp on her feet. So three points in her favor. I'm slightly worried about "fine" being the only real metric, but sure... I mean I won't say you are certainly wrong about your way of looking at it.
She will absolutely destroy Trump in the press, any PR talking points, and debates. The contrast will make him look weak and feeble, which really was what the RNC was going to try and do with Biden. This demolishes whatever lame and taunted campaign they had planned to run, where Harris can literally just rebrand all of Biden's campaign materials. It's a decent plan. She needs an absolutely mind meltingly popular VP pick though, because Trump doesn't have that.
I fuckin hope so man.
The imagination of Trump in the debate with Harris with her experience as a prosecutor and him getting extra salty and unhinged about it because it's a woman making him look stupid is definitely at least a little bit appealing.
I just hope corporate news has the good graces to not shit all over her for at least 24 hours.
Ha ha. Ha ha ha.
It's certainly a concern.
I'm sorry, but HARD disagree. Trump will always win the debates to Trumpers. As a conservative, I unfortunately have to interact with Trumpers. They thought he won because he talked over Biden. Talking points? Doesn't matter. Logic? Doesn't matter. He just has to "shut down" Biden by not letting him speak and talking louder. In their eyes, Harris will get absolutely destroyed
I don't think anyone is really caring about his die-hard cult members. I'm specifically talking about people who are/were undecided somehow. She will make him look weak, idiotic, and just flat shut him down on his bullshitting and lies. He's afraid of her, and showing that on a national stage will remind people what he really is. Guarantee to see a shift in polling if they debate, which he's trying to worm his way out of now because he's afraid of her.
I don’t know, it could probably work, America is the outlier for their election seasons. UK elections are held 5-6 weeks after Parliament is dissolved. The 2022 French Presidential election was held less than 2 weeks after the polling date was announced. Comparatively, the USA’s 7 months to convention, 10 months to election is a lifetime. You can do loads in 106 days
As an American, let me assure you that having campaign seasons of something between 7 months and 3 years is absolutely sanity-destroying. It’s fucking awful and I hate it.
This as well ^^
There is such a thing as political exhaustion, and the US gets this kind of bullshit inflicted on them CONSTANTLY.
It is also pretty crucial to acknowledge that the general mental/outrage fatigue is at this point entirely intentional and by-design, as far as I can tell.
106 days? Both England and France held full elections in less than that amount of time. I knew of Biden's withdrawal 20mins after it happened. Trump getting shot at a week ago is already old news.
You can do A LOT of politics, especially in the US of A, in 106 days.
If Kamala is the choice she better come out swinging and laugh Trump out of this race. If she isn't ready then I want someone else. Trump is an old liar who fumbles constantly and holds garbage opinions. I want to see him shut the hell up.
People were saying the same shit about Biden dropping out up to the minute he did it.
Fuckin hell man I hate having the future of my country in the hands of the goddamned DNC
Hah! I so hear that. But wait til you hear what the options are.
Right now it appears everybody is holding fire, giving Joe the day. A new nominee may not be determined before the convention, but there could be a consensus. Vice President Kamala Harris said she is running, so early in the week we'll see if anyone else throws their hat in.
Maybe like Dean Phillips or something but nobody who will get any support. Running against Kamala, endorsed by Biden, would be tantamount to running against Biden imo
And after a $50mm fundraising day, I just have a really hard time seeing it end up as anyone else.
I don't like that it's the case, but at this point it's probably over 90% odds that it's going to be Harris.
This is true. If she's going to get endorsements to what amounts to be the whole party, then the convention will be predetermined. The only item is the running mate. I would go for Big Gretch.
Biden endorsed her this morning in his announcement to end his reelection bid, so we'll see.