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I prefer "list" view over grid view. Switching to grid view shows six videos before the break, but significantly less information about the video.

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[–] GeekFTW@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God, Youtube has gone to shit lately.

Lately in this context, meaning about the last 15 or so years.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They added sort from oldest back! wooooooo. One step forward after being launched backwards into a pile of shit.

[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They only removed it because it interfered with a new feature they added to the mobile app. If they removed it for monetary reasons (like what they did with dislikes), they wouldn't have brought it back

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don’t give a cunt’s dick why they removed it in the first place, why are you defending anything about it

[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

uBlock Origin makes this easy:

Instructions Screenshot
1. Find a Shorts section on the page
2. Select the element picker in uBlock Origin
3. Select the Shorts section
4. Click "Create"
5. Enjoy
[–] MercuryUprising@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can also use the "zap" feature. Just use the lightning bolt icon to the left of the eyedropper and it'll skip step 4. I also found this to work better because selecting shorts ended up always selecting the entire videos section as well.

[–] klemanbx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is just temporary, if you refresh the page it will show section again.

[–] MercuryUprising@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was not temporary for me. I had to go into my settings and delete my changes to get it working again.

[–] klemanbx@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is defined as temporary in uBlock documentation.

Reloading the web page will cause all removed elements to return.

[–] ram@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your link talks about the element zapper, the icon that looks like a lightning. The instructions above talk about the element picker, the icon that looks like an eye dropper.

[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

You can also use the “zap” feature. Just use the lightning bolt icon to the left of the eyedropper and it’ll skip step 4. I also found this to work better because selecting shorts ended up always selecting the entire videos section as well.

[–] jinarched@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I can't thank you enough.

Some more filters for blocking Shorts from YT can be found here.

[–] fatalicus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Youtube added shorts to subscription, and i added Youtube-shorts block to firefox.

[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Newpipe. Libretube Free tube

[–] ech@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can hide segments like that with ublock, fwiw. It's been really useful to me for these kinds of changes every single website seems to be pushing these days.

[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I dont know where I have it from (I think somone on reddit posted it), but I use this in the uBlock Origin Filter since 8 month and it removes all my shorts from the subscription:

www.youtube.com##ytd-guide-renderer a.yt-simple-endpoint path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]:upward(ytd-guide-entry-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-mini-guide-renderer a.yt-simple-endpoint path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]:upward(ytd-mini-guide-entry-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-browse #dismissible ytd-rich-grid-slim-media[is-short]:upward(ytd-rich-section-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="home"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-rich-item-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-grid-video-renderer,ytd-rich-item-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-search .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-watch-next-secondary-results-renderer .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-compact-video-renderer,ytd-shelf-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-watch-next-secondary-results-renderer ytd-reel-shelf-renderer
www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] ytd-video-renderer .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-item-section-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="channels"] #contents.ytd-reel-shelf-renderer:upward(ytd-item-section-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="trending"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-search #contents ytd-reel-shelf-renderer
m.youtube.com##ytm-reel-shelf-renderer
m.youtube.com##ytm-pivot-bar-renderer div.pivot-shorts:upward(ytm-pivot-bar-item-renderer)
m.youtube.com##ytm-browse ytm-item-section-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-video-with-context-renderer)
m.youtube.com##ytm-browse ytm-item-section-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-compact-video-renderer)
m.youtube.com##ytm-search ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-compact-video-renderer)
m.youtube.com##ytm-single-column-watch-next-results-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer span:has-text(/^(0:\d\d|1:0\d)$/):upward(ytm-video-with-context-renderer)

It will sure break in a couple of month again. It did 8 Month ago and I am sure YT will change the code again at some point.

I do not trust having to many FF Extensions installed from some rando from the Internet, so I like this solution better.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't mind shorts so much but Enhancer for Youtube has the ability to convert shorts to regular videos or hide them.

[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But the Videos are still only 1 Minute long. I find them a disgrace for my attention span. Before shorts/tiktok people were already arguing how deep a video of 10 Minute really can be and might be giving only a shallow idea of a topic. Going even further down to 1 Minute per topic is too much (less) for me. I prefer videos 20 Minutes+. Mostly 45-60 Minutes hit a decent spot for me to feel like I learned something about a topic. A couple of days ago I watched a 2-parts video of 6h and 5h (over several days) about the Russo-Japanese war. And even that was skimming over a lot of topics (obviously) but afterwards I felt like I understood something. I dont know how a 1 Minute short can transport anything other than just "a feeling of knowledge" - at this point it is basically just entertainment. I already felt 10 Minutes was snack-infotainment short. 1 Minute clips leave me behind like eating candy for dinner: Very unsatisfied. And maybe that is the reason people then click the next tiktok/short, because they actually do not feel satisfied by such a short clip and have the feeling for wanting more. And they satisfy this "more" by switching to another 1-Minute video. Again getting the feeling of more, yet getting less in the end of the day.

[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

The new slider replacement.

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I hate this format of content so much. An automatically reloading, never ending stream of snippets that are hardly informative even if they try. Fucking looks like they are trying to hypnotize us.

Oh wait, they absolutely are. Stop thinking about not being able to afford a living even though you bust your ass of everyday. Stop worrying about the climate. Get a new iphone and obediently watch citizen.

[–] Hardeehar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Trying to hop on that ADHD train.

[–] lohrun@fediverse.boo 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wish they would give us a user setting to completely hide shorts from ever showing. I have never watched a short and I will never watch a short. It’s just not the type of content for me. If I wanted TikTok style videos, I would download TikTok. It’s crazy how much stuff YouTube tries to cram down your throat even as a premium subscriber.

Edit: also just a great example of companies jumping on a bandwagon to make a quick buck. YouTube is a well established video hosting and streaming service, they didn’t need to spend how every many millions of dollars adding shorts (not that they would have bothered spending that money on the user/creator experiences anyways)

[–] greendakota99@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s sad having a front row seat to The Internet slowly killing itself.

[–] notenoughbutter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

the ad based internet, as it is today was never supposed to work as some people will always block ads meaning more ads pushed to regular users and thus more people using adblock until we hit the break-even point and the site is forced to shut down or do the enshitification thing

[–] ArcheTelos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just hate how much functionality the Shorts player loses compared to the regular Youtube player. They seriously made their product worse to imitate a competitor? Who asked for this?

[–] Wootz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] MercuryUprising@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I swear that these board of director types are some of the most dense and out of touch people on the planet. It's crazy how we reward them for their stupidity in exchange for their unbridled greed.

[–] xavier666@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I think the UX team is banking on user psychology. Majority of users don't want functionality, they want familiarity. They should feel like they are watching Tiktok.

We should remember that we power users are a minority in social media.

[–] lemming007@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Fuck YouTube shorts. It's infuriating that YouTube doesn't provide us an option to remove all traces of that fuckin cancer from the platform.

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anyone get an update on for their TV app this week?

Went from having reasonably-sized thumbnails, to these over-sized ones where only like 2.5 of them fit horizontally and less than 1.5 of them fit vertically. They are obnoxiously huge which means to see what videos are in your feed you have to do a ton of needless scrolling.

Just a week ago, it wasn't like this - I think you could see 4 horizontally and 3 vertically before which is perfect for a living room experience.

My favorite part is that there is no way to make any adjustments. If you are going to change something like this, at least let me change it back. WTF?

[–] restarossa@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is ridiculous! I'm sure it'll do little good but I sent some feedback at https://www.youtube.com/tv/feedback

[–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks -1 points 1 year ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/tv/feedback

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub.

[–] NeveHanter@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I highly suggest using Enhancer for YouTube, it allows you to hide shorts and also convert them to normal video player so you can seek them like any other YouTube video.

There's also multitude of different customisation options, you can hide related videos, change default comment order, disable comments altogether, expand the description ;)

https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/enhancer-for-youtube/ https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/enhancer-for-youtube/ponfpcnoihfmfllpaingbgckeeldkhle https://microsoftedge.microsoft.com/addons/detail/enhancer-for-youtube%E2%84%A2/dlgfaleeejmphhnemjgiaekdbonkagkd

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wish this worked on the mobile browser

[–] NeveHanter@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[–] krzschlss@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Youtube is so aesthetically and functionally unappealing nowadays, I lose interest in browsing even my own subs. I don't care what users "like me" are watching nor what I "might like". The only way to see my subs vids is with Piped.

[–] shotgun_crab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good thing ublock origin exists, shorts are awful

[–] starlinguk@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends. It's a good alternative when you don't want to follow people on TikTok. Hank and John Green do shorts, there's a Maine lobsterman who does great shorts, there's a couple of people who do very funny Heaven/Hell skits...

[–] MercuryUprising@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nah, they're awful. Your explanation is like someone saying, "Nazis are awful," and you saying "Depends. Fritz had me over for dinner and him and his wife are pretty nice, and Hanz is good defense for a game of footie."

Just because there are exceptions to the rule, doesn't make the entire format, as a whole, not awful. The idea, right down to its core of being 1) easily accessible 2) quickly digestible and 3) easy to market with turns it into a party where everyone is jumping around saying "Hey, hey! Look at me! Looook at meeeeeee! Please give me your attention!"

This is why 50% of TikTok users surveyed said that videos over one minute long are stressful for them, it's completely devastated people's attention spans.

But this still ignores the ultimate cardinal sin of video content: forcing the vertical aspect ratio in order to facilitate easier scrolling, even though OUR BINOCULAR VISION IS OPTIMIZED FOR WIDESCREEN VIEWING.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Your explanation is like someone saying, "Nazis are awful," and you saying "Depends.

Are we really comparing YouTube Shorts to Nazis?

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

This is all 100% accurate forever and people that don't like it are wrong.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago

Easy on the Godwin there, pal.

[–] HardlightCereal@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Boy am I glad I have the extension that makes shorts invisble