How is it that the general response to this debate is "Trump rambled nonsensically and told conflicting lies and wants to undermine democracy, but Biden was recovering from a cold, so he's unfit."
Like in what world are these issues comparable?
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Like in what world are these issues comparable?
Everyone who already knows that Trump is a moron can't actually develop a lower opinion of him.
Anyone who doesn't know that Trump is a moron is too dense to parse anything more complex than a ten-second Fox News soundbite.
Thus, Biden giving a mediocre performance hurts Biden much more than Trump doing his normal word-salad oral diarrhea hurts Trump.
It's not fair or logical, but it's the way things work at the moment.
Very generous of you to call it a "mediocre performance".
He was recovering from a cold? Is this really the excuse Democrats are gonna go with?
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but Biden was recovering from a cold, so he’s unfit.”
Literally haven't seen that excuse yet...
Has he been recovering from a cold the last decade?
The biggest thing people are complaining about was Biden was a little hoarse against Trump's booming nonsensical rambling.
I don't care if Biden was hoarse. At Trump's best, he made no sense, and at his worst, he was pushing terrible ideologies
It seemed a lot worse than being a little hoarse. He was conflating issues, mid sentence. And getting confused regularly in addition to seeming really feeble and not being able to answer what is asked of him. Listen if this was the first i was seeing this from the president, then i might buy this is just him mid fever. But it’s not and is expected from a man at his age. Still voting for him, but i am thinking Kamala Harris is going to have to take over the presidency before long.
In all honesty I think negotiating with Kamala for her to step into the AG role and open up the VP slot for Newsome or Buttigieg would be the game changer.
I don’t see our current trajectory as being successful, so this seems the only winning play. Not changing things risks everything for no good reason
I hardly saw any mentions of him being hoarse reading through the megathread comments last night.
Stuff like, winning the war against Medicaid, on the other hand, as well as his general just got out of bed demeanor, is absolutely going to erode confidence in him and quite potentially cost progressives the election if they don't pick a different horse.
The biggest thing people are complaining about was Biden was a little hoarse
Who is saying that?
It's not in the article you're commenting on, and I haven't seen a single complaint about his voice being "hoarse".
Can you link what you're talking about where the main complaint about Biden was he seemed hoarse?
both candidates are the age of my grandfather who lives with me because he needs care
no way either candidate has escaped the ravages of time
Biden and Trump both are selfishly keeping a younger generation from stepping in
Yup. Fuck them.
I'm voting for Biden, but fuck them both all the same.
I hate this timeline.
These debates are only there for Biden to lose 🤷
And he certainly rose to the occasion last night.
I don't understand why any one Biden's side thought this was a good idea. Biden has never been a good speaker I believe mostly due to his stutter. The only thing Trump knows how to do is talk he's a damn salesman. I guess the hope was that Biden could string together some coherent sentences in order to hit back at Trump's lies and tout his achievements. I just think putting your candidates weakest trait against the other candidates strongest trait was a stupid risky thing to do from the outset with limited positive potential.
So we should just do away with debates?
I think debates and townhalls are Biden's best bet right now. He needs to show that it was just a bad night for him.
And if it wasn't just a bad night, it'll spur action to find a viable replacement.
Such obvious bullshit.
He's leading the party just fine against Trump right now.
I'm saying this as someone that donated ~$1000 to Bernie.
I'm personally glad Biden is handling Ukraine & not Sanders.
You'd have to be astoundingly stupid to think that the DNC is going to change tack 5 months prior to the election.
EDIT: Oh look, there are 12 of them now.
Starting with a declaimer of being fairly far left...
Biden is not looking like he has a winning chance. He's barely leading in national polls, but those polls are misleading, as, because of the senate, democrats typically need to win by 2.5-3 points in order to have a shot at the electoral college. So he's behind there.
He's behind in several key states where he needs to win. If you count states where he's down 2 points or less, he BARELY has enough to win. Can't miss a single state.
The debate hurt Biden. This is not a logical contest, it's a popularity one, and Biden is not doing well. I think he's done some great policy things, but that's not how people vote. Democrats have to learn that it's not enough to be "right" if you're going to lose elections.
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He couldn't beat Trump in a relatively simple debate, how is he supposed to beat him in an election?
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