This is specifically Bavaria. They also recently found out that their vice president has a past as a Nazi and the reaction of their president was essentially "Oh no. Anyway...". So, yeah, if you considered visiting the Oktoberfest, maybe reconsider.
this post was submitted on 10 Sep 2023
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what is not going to Oktoberfest gonna do?
being out of reach of nazis or conservative christians can increase safety and well-being
Did Nazi that coming
~~Preventative Detention~~
Political prisoners
'Innocent until deemed inconvenient.'
Ohh, I've seen this one, it's a classic!
As much as Germany denies it, it has been proven in the last 10 or so years that they really loved their nazi days. France seems to also love having been under nazi occupation too, and they seem to have a similar anti-environmentalist attitude.
When did Anti-environmentalist tomfoolery become pro-Nazi?
It's not the cause, it's the tactics. Throwing people in jail before they actually do anything is a classic hallmark of tyranny.
The tactics are tyrannical but not uniquely fascist. Jailing political opponents because they angered the crown is a European tradition that predates Rome.
Fair. I guess fascist is just what humanity has come to call such things.
Fascist is also what humanity uses to refer to actual fascism, which is having a pretty unfortunate resurgence at the moment. Its not just referring to tyranny.
I heard someone call the removal of the green M&M fascism once. Just because people label it as such doesn't make it accurate.
More pro-fascism
"Become"? No. It just has been for lone one of their indicative "modern" traits.
Yeah that's incorrect.
https://facingtoday.facinghistory.org/examining-nazi-environmentalism-during-earth-week
Their motivations were still racist and bad, but the Nazis in Germany were not anti-environment.
Unless you mean modern Nazis, at which point ok maybe I haven't really researched modern Nazis. I know the people they support certainly are, whether they admit they're Nazis or not.
I mean... They explicitly said "modern"
On a thread about Nazi Germany, forgive me for staying on topic.
My bad, I didn't notice that.
I do think though that the parent comment was mainly referring to detaining people without due process when talking about Nazi Germany, rather than the environmental perspective.
Gonna need a source on that.
Is this like Minority-Report-type shit?
English translation (from Google Translate):
Last generation: 27 climate demonstrators in Bavaria were preventively imprisoned
In the run-up to the IAA motor show, the police in Bavaria took activists from the last generation into so-called preventative detention. The procedure is very controversial.
By Kai Biermann
September 2, 2023, 4:14 pm
According to Last Generation, Bavarian authorities have currently put a total of 27 supporters of the group in prison without trial or verdict. This means that the number of activists in preventive detention has almost doubled, the group writes in a statement. They are therefore being held in the Stadelheim and Memmingen correctional facilities.
A large number of them were apparently taken into custody in connection with the IAA International Motor Show, which is scheduled to take place in Munich from September 5th to 10th. The last generation had announced protests against the fair. According to Last Generation, at least 16 of those affected are in custody until September 10th.
Eleven more are expected to serve longer sentences. According to Munich police, ten of them were taken into custody during a blockade on Friday. The Munich district court then ordered that they remain in prison until September 30th.
Nowhere as long as in Bavaria
Legally, this police approach is called preventive detention because it is not detention for a crime that has been committed. The police laws of the different states allow this for different lengths of time. In Bavaria, up to one month in prison is permitted, which may be extended by a judge for a maximum of another month. In other federal states, however, it is usually only a few days.
The so-called preventive or preventive detention is very controversial. The relevant laws were originally created to prevent terrorists from carrying out attacks. However, this form of detention is now also permitted in the case of the “imminent commission or continuation of an administrative offense of considerable importance for the general public,” as the Bavarian police law states. Lawsuits against this have so far been rejected in Bavaria. However, a final clarification about the legality of this approach is still pending.
This form of deprivation of liberty is all the more problematic because the protesters will not face imprisonment if they are convicted for a blockade. The corresponding procedures regularly only end with fines.
Carla Rochel, the spokesperson for the Last Generation, writes in the statement: "The question we as a society have to ask ourselves at this moment is: Do we think it's okay that protest for all of our basic right to life means prison instead of climate protection is answered?"
Thank you for the translation. This is exactly why people need to be wary of tools used against bad actors, that will then be used against everyone. A tool in the toolbox will be used by the police. Slippery slope is real. Once you establish precedent the tool is useful, you'll see it again.
It's not a slippery slope fallacy, if the slope is actually slippery.
In Canada I'm very wary of the current trial against the leaders of the Freedom Convoy for this reason. Popular sentiment at the time of their protest was that they were bad for blocking the road, and what comes from this trial could set precedent that could be used to criminalize climate and social justice protests in the future.
What the fuck
Bavaria is a traditionally very conservative state. The Conservative party is ruling with an iron grip for decades.
But Munich
Bavaria is our Texas.
Hahaha and people look at them as if they're a country to be emulated
I'd like to know how that's even remotely compliant with the ECHR???
Some European tell me again why you believe you have free speech.
Is disrupting traffic by glueing yourself to the road covered by the first ammendment in the US?
No, but we have this thing called the 6th amendment that lays out the minimum requirements for prosecution. (known as due process). Pre-crime clearly breaks those minimums.
To be fair last time I checked Germany isn't all Europe. They did try once tough....we prefer not talk about it too much nowadays tough.
Didn't they try twice? We we're back to back World War champs for nothing.
Typo really messes up my reading comprehension for a moment.
Lols it does. I suck at typing.
I find it funny, you talk about freedom, Europeans will defend their governments as free, shit on the US, defend government power in the name of protecting the public, but then, preemptively jailing people, like previous authoritarian states of Europe would do, and they're all surprised pikachu face. I doubt they'll ever get it, Europeans are lemmings.
Except the French. The French light shit on fire when their government displeases them.
This is generalising a bit much done you think? This is like saying all US states are the same, but more outrageous as they're completely separate countries with different cultures, languages, and governments
well, you have a history of authoritarianism and warrantless detention in many, many European countries, the US is all entirely subject to the US constitution which explicitly forbids warrantless searches, detention absent due process and things like that. It has a few blind spots, and the rules are broken, but generally can be corrected and the culprits prosecuted. Detention in Germany for example without a jury trial and evidence of illegal activity is perfectly legal, as it is in the UK and almost every other European country so long as it protects the general welfare or some other such broad meaningless condition.
US does shit like this all the time. Guantanamo bay ring a bell? There are still people there who haven't been convicted of a crime.
That doesn't count, those were brown people!