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Two years after the Fairphone 4 and following the release of some audio products like the Fairbuds XL, the Dutch company is back with a new repairable phone: the Fairphone 5. It looks and feels a lot like the Fairphone 4, but it adds choice upgrades across the board, making it the most modular and also most modern-looking repairable phone from the company yet.

The design is largely unchanged compared to the Fairphone 4, but the improvements that the company did make go a long way: The teardrop notch and the LCD screen is finally gone, with an ordinary punch-hole selfie and an OLED taking its place. Otherwise, you’re looking at an aluminum frame, a triangular camera array, and a removable back cover. Here, the company brought back its signature translucent back cover next to two black and blue variants. The dimensions and weight has been reduced ever-so-slightly compared to the predecessor.

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[–] Ogygus@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Low-end hardware and a pretty much closed CPU you can't do much with for 700 Euros? No, thank you.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

It's a 778G equivalent, from what I can tell, how is that even low end?

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[–] ChillPill@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

6.46" is too large a screen. My pixel 6a is barely small enough. Also, bring back the headphone jack.

[–] BigVault@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I was pained to move to iOS when my kids decided they wanted iPhones and I needed one to manage their parental controls, but boy do I love the form factor of the 12 mini I got.

Everything out there seems so huge now.

I’d love to have more options for smaller, manageable phones, especially as my workplace have given out work iPhones now, I could realistically go back to Android again come upgrade time as I can manage their accounts with that.

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Probably harder to make stuff repairable and modular when it's smaller

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[–] rah@feddit.uk 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Qualcomm QCM6490

No good for free software OSes then :-(

[–] TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can you elaborate on why? Like, I'm not surprised, I just am not involved in this space enough to know why.

[–] ceuk@feddit.uk 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Proprietary drivers/firmware. Basically makes it impossible/very hard to develop custom ROMs/operating systems (the lack of openness makes it super hard to extend/modify/verify the software running on these chips).

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The drivers are well separated via HAL so you can absolutely make custom ROMs/OSes without changing those. The Android OS has way more code above the HAL layer than below. You can't however arbitrarily update the Linux kernel, modify the drivers or fix security issues found, beyond the security support window provided by Qualcomm.

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[–] rah@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
  1. Manufacturers (e.g., Qualcomm, Samsung) won't return your call unless you buy in huge quantities, hundreds of thousands or millions of units.
  2. Lack of documentation.
  3. Information restricted by NDA.
  4. Non-free binaries required for lots of hardware.
  5. Generally lording over the market and exploiting their position, to the degree of anti-competitiveness, and as a consequence artificially extending the rein of non-free software in the mobile domain.
  6. Astonishingly poor quality of engineering.
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[–] thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is the best open blob SoC available?

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[–] DTFpanda@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (12 children)

It really does surprise me how so many people (at least on Reddit and Lemmy) care so deeply about a headphone jack.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  1. No internal battery means it's not a product with a built-in obsolence period (which is fairly short, 3-5 years)
  2. Most of the better audio gear are all wired
  3. I mean, it's simple economics: Not paying for all the extra stuff to make it wireless means you get better value for audio quality
  4. Many people here are enthusiasts in tech and hardware, we likely have more than a few devices. Switching between devices with BT is a fucking PITA.
[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Speaking as an audiophile, you can buy a USB C dongle for like $10 that even has a good DAC. Only issue is if you're regularly charging and listening to wired buds simultaneously

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[–] algorithmae@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I use a headphone jack daily, it is a must for me. Not going to do a stupid Bluetooth adapter or dongle cable that can get lost or damaged

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only way I can play music from Spotify or youtube in my car is through a headphone jack, I value it very deeply because of that. It's much cheaper to buy a phone with a jack than it is to replace my car

[–] Discotheque@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

There’s a bunch of different Bluetooth adapters you can buy these days for about 20 eur.

[–] Delta_44@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Still the best way to transmit sound even quality-wise, except if you want surround, 2 channel won't suffice here

[–] Sabata11792@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

I don't want to buy more shit I got to remember to charge when I already have a few nice 3.5mm headsets. I know its going to be dead every time I want to use it. I got to pair it every time I switch devices. It works on everything that has the right hole even if its older than your parents.

Its just extra work unless its your daily driver.

[–] silvercove@lemdro.id 5 points 1 year ago

it's useful. I use it.

[–] Genericusername@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While I do care about the headphone jack, I am mostly bitter about the manufacturers deciding for me that I don't need it. I'd heavily trade off 10% reduction in thickness for a user-replaceable battery and a headphone jack, but it was decided for me that a thinner phone is a big improvement.

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[–] joojmachine@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

I really hope it does well, the business model really needs to change.

[–] Rayspekt@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Man I've never spent more than 300 bucks on any phone, fair or not. Isn't there something in the 150-300 category that's worth buying, more sustainable and de-googled/foss?

I don't do high end shit with my phone. I just browse the web, take notes and do 2FA stuff. I don't need a 700€ phone for this, even considering the higher cost because of sustainability.

[–] witten@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

A used Pixel can be had in that range.

[–] kzhe@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I got a Pixel 3a for 50 bucks once (really good deal, a few circumstances around it) and an OEM unlockable 4a 5g for 100, so under the category you gave and in some sense more sustainable (its used), able to be degoogled,

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More sustainable in the sense that you have a lesser carbon footprint, yes. Buy used.

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[–] gbzm@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Everybody seems to care about headphone jacks, nobody seems to care about Fairphone's former stance to focus on keeping their existing models usable long term rather than produce a new phone every year and incentivise a race to the latest model like every other brand does...

[–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

Try getting parts for the original fairphone or fairphone2.

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[–] huskypenguin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

According to CNET not as good as pixel, but it is honestly fine (not great, but definitely fine) in my eyes.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/fairphone-5-review-the-phone-that-wants-to-save-the-world/

[–] huskypenguin@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

I'm surprised there are no night tests. The images look pretty good on what they tested.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Their promo video looks good. Though it is a promo video.

My guess is that it won't have the bells and whistles of Samsung or Google Pixel devices. That doesn't really seem to be the goal with the device though.

[–] huskypenguin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm excited for some real world tests. If we can get to at least an iPhone 13 quality of processing on the image, I'm in.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I get that. I'm not planning on switching from iPhone anytime soon really, but whenever I swap my Pixel 6 work phone I might go for a Fairphone instead.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

GSMArena says it's a Sony IMX800 with a 1/5.6" sensor, which is pretty respectable hardware, better than many premium compacts from years ago. With the right camera app or post processing you can get decent images from this.

[–] severien@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

1/1.56", big difference.

[–] keardap@lemmy.selfhost.quest 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The major issue for me is availability, they don't sell the phone here, so if I buy through shipping services I can't buy replacement parts.

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[–] Ogygus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

And of course they had to use the percentage accurate prison inmate

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