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What kind of defenders can you not tolerate? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by infyrin@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

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FUCK ALL SHOPLIFTERS!!

People who defend shoplifting from stores. I had a minor debate with someone who was pridefully going on about how we should steal from stores to affect the profits of the CEO and "The Man".

I had to inform them that stealing from stores won't necessarily affect the payroll of the corporation. It will only harm the stores and the employees inside. Because each and every store is operating on a budget of their own and what they sell determines said budget.

So if groups of people decided to steal from that store, sapping up the budget and hurting sales, then it's going to hurt the pay of the people working there. Making shoplifters look both like an asshole and a dumbass in one.

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[–] RememberTheApollo@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Billionaire worshippers

Politician worshippers

Wealth worshippers

Fame worshippers

Basically people who defend people who don’t deserve or need to be defended. Wealthy people have lawyers to defend them, they certainly don’t need or want you, and they don’t need you to justify them making a million an hour in dividends or interest while sitting on their asses.

Politicians work for you, why do you worship your employee?

Famous people can fuck right off, especially influencers. Why do you defend someone destroying a $200k car or wasting absurd amounts of food?

E: oh, Military worship, too. That shit is right up there with fascism and autocratic rule.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Eh... I think it depends on what it is. People stealing non-essentials or for reselling? Fuck them. People stealing baby formula so their baby doesnt starve? I didn't see anything. If we had a robust safety net in the US it'd be different because there'd be no reason or excuse to do that but we've decided that we would prefer a dog eat dog world and I am not going to feel bad when the poor do what they need to do to survive.

Anyway, I can't tolerate people that defend the current healthcare system in the US. I don't believe that a system that decides whether you get the treatment, medicine and preventative care that you need or not based on your ability to pay for it is a moral one. And the people least able to afford treatment are those that need it the most. i.e sick people. Especially given that most insurance is tied to your job and companies can and will drop you without consequence if you are too sick to work.

[–] marlowe221@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I’m with you there. I noticed someone shoplifting at a Walmart near me about a year ago. I took a second look and realized the stuff they were stealing was all food.

I decided I didn’t see anything at all.

I figure anyone stealing food probably needs that food and is in tough financial shape.

[–] waterbogan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I'm surprised that there is anybody defending the current US healthcare system, its probably the worst feature of the US and the main thing putting me off from ever wanting to live there

[–] ryan@the.coolest.zone 4 points 1 year ago

You've eloquently stated what I came in to reply. To hell with this unequal system that all but forces people to steal basic necessities to survive. I'm certainly not gonna say "oh boy let's shoplift for fun" but I'm also not going to condemn someone who's doing what they think they need to do to help them and their family get by.

We desperately need not only better healthcare (physical, mental, and dental), but a revamped welfare system (maybe to the level of UBI), a better low-income housing strategy, etc etc.

Very few kids say "oh boy, I'm going to be a petty criminal when I grow up." Society fails kids and they become desperate and jaded adults.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

trump apologists

musk apologists

putin apologists

[–] HoustonHenry@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're all the same people

[–] OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Conservatives

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Well, you did something bad, so you deserve whatever happens to you."

No, that's not how morality works, and it's not even how law works either. The smallest rule-breaking doesn't make you an outlaw with no rights.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I want to add to this: "Well, if he didn't want shot, he shouldn't have been running from the cops!"

Maybe not, but he's innocent until proven guilty by a jury of his peers, and even if he is found guilty, his punishment will be decided by a judge.

Not some Clint Eastwood wanna be who doesn't like being told no.

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[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 year ago

People who defend corporations as if they're actually people

People who defend the notion that corporations are people.

[–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you see someone shoplift, no you didn't.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Just no. If you see someone shoplifting diapers, baby formula, or stuff like that - no you didn't. If you see the brazen ass mobs stealing all the phones from an apple store, you can see them. You don't need to do anything about it. You can choose not to see them, but I don't think there's some moral imperative to ignore that level of theft.

[–] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You say there's no imperative to ignore, but is there any moral imperative to care about that level of theft though? Maybe if it's a small local store owned by a friend or something, but if it's one of the big box retailers or brand names ... meh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ They got insurance, worst that will happen is they get a bigger tax write off from their insurance bill at the end of the quarter

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

...but is there any moral imperative to care about that level of theft though?

Certainly not an imperative. I just felt there needed to be a distinction.

[–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I ain't calling the murder brigade for any of them.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 5 points 1 year ago

Especially since we've had US cops kill several shoplifters this month alone.

[–] bane_killgrind@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

If you think luxury goods manufacturers engage in more ethical business practices than groceries and pharmacies... That's not true.

From the perpetrators side, nobody paid their rent pawning baby food. Or paid heat. Or paid for a car to drive to a low wage job.

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Its not your job to do loss prevention work for free. Unless they're going to pay you for the report, shoplifting is none of your concern.

Do give corporations free labor.

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[–] bane_killgrind@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago (9 children)

it’s going to hurt the pay of the people working there

So there are a lot of reasons to be against stealing, but this isn't one of them.

Wal-Mart and County-Wide Poverty https://aese.psu.edu/nercrd/economic-development/for-researchers/poverty-issues/big-boxes/wal-mart-and-poverty/article-wal-mart-and-county-wide-poverty

Corporate owned stores like this are the ones that people are talking about stealing from. The facts are, the wages that are paid by Walmart can't possibly be less. Walmart enjoys https://businessmodelanalyst.com/is-walmart-profitable/ being the most highly profitable in the list mentioned.

If Walmart paid less, they couldn't maintain their staffing levels. The workers would be even more highly impoverished, if they choose to stay.

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[–] ericbomb@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Defending abusive cops. So a lot of cops I can't stand as a result.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

After reading op's comments in this thread, I'm going to just say they're a piece of shit who has never had to make any hard decisions.

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[–] OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Anyone who defends conservative politics is scum.

[–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude you can't get paid below minimum, like all fucking stores do. This ain't hurting anyone except those who are lucky enough to have something to lose

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[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Lev Yashin dude is a pain to play against.

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