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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 62 points 5 months ago (2 children)

the united states has never bowed to international authority. ever.

[–] faizalr@kbin.run 29 points 5 months ago (2 children)

They think they the authority.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

I've heard before that a key hallmark of liberalism throughout history is exceptions to its own tenants while continuing to claim the moral high ground.

Seems to fit here quite nicely.

[–] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Yes this is how sovereignty is maintained. This duality is why other members of the international community can refuse to follow ICC declarations one year and support the other years.

The United States doesn't release that control willingly. Others would have to make them if they feel it's that important.

Until someone can take that authority, they retain it.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Don't they have plans to break out any US soldier about to stand trial in the ICC/Hauge?

[–] LordOfLocksley@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Yes, part of George Bush Jr's administration put that in place

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 60 points 5 months ago (21 children)

You know Biden is not part of the House and the House is run by Republicans, right?

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 50 points 5 months ago (14 children)

Biden denounces ICC for ‘outrageous’ implication of equivalence between Israel and Hamas

The Biden administration on Monday forcefully denounced efforts by the International Criminal Court to seek arrest warrants for top Israeli officials and Hamas leaders, saying the court’s efforts put the terrorist organization and a top US ally on equivalent footing.

[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Denouncing is different from state sanctions. How biden has implicated that he opposes this bill according to the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm5512l7yero

[–] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

In the interest of learning, the ICC is not a state actor, so what exactly is the difference in this case?

EDIT: The sanction is actual travel and economic restrictions on members of the ICC. "Denounce" is the typical posturing. For those who care...

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[–] cybersin@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

OK, so replace his photo with any congressperson if you insist on being so pedantic.

The point is the absurdity of american government, which Biden as the president, is a symbol of.

When advantageous, most republicans would also claim that the US respects international law, then turn around and pass a vote like this.

EDIT: about a third of house dems supported the bill

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Well Mike Johnson would be most fitting as he is the speaker and decides which bills are up for a vote.

[–] RustyShackleford 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They probably don’t, but obfuscation gets more clicks when trolling for engagement.

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[–] Pollux@leminal.space 40 points 5 months ago (1 children)

For the idiots trying to defend this piece of shit and claiming this is done by biden's "opposition" or whatever, he obviously does agree with the move.

Biden denounces ICC for ‘outrageous’ implication of equivalence between Israel and Hamas

The Biden administration on Monday forcefully denounced efforts by the International Criminal Court to seek arrest warrants for top Israeli officials and Hamas leaders, saying the court’s efforts put the terrorist organization and a top US ally on equivalent footing.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Lustrate@lemm.ee 31 points 5 months ago (4 children)

A bit disingenuous to put a picture of the head of the executive branch under a comment about a legislative body’s passed bill.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Definitely. Yet on brand for .ml

[–] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

You do realize Biden has announced his support for denouncing the ICC for this very action by the House right? He absolutely should be held to account for it.

EDIT: Ok pedants, Sanction and 'denounce' are not the same - I get it. One has actual limitations preventing us from interacting with the people who don't even want to come here anyway.

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (5 children)

If you scroll up a bit, someone else was kind enough to post Biden's quote opposing this piece of legislation.

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[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

He agrees with it like you'd expect so no need to worry.

Biden denounces ICC for ‘outrageous’ implication of equivalence between Israel and Hamas

The Biden administration on Monday forcefully denounced efforts by the International Criminal Court to seek arrest warrants for top Israeli officials and Hamas leaders, saying the court’s efforts put the terrorist organization and a top US ally on equivalent footing.

Regardless, he is the face of the US empire right now. Makes sense to have his pic when the US is doing something again

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Except Biden put out a statement opposing this legislation:

The Administration strongly opposes H.R. 8282, the “Illegitimate Court Counteraction Act.” H.R. 8282 would impose mandatory sanctions and visa restrictions on any foreign person determined to aid, materially assist, or provide financial support for efforts by the International Criminal Court (ICC) to undertake certain investigations and prosecutions, among others. This legislation could require sanctions against court staff, judges, witnesses, and U.S. allies and partners who provide even limited, targeted support to the court in a range of aspects of its work.

The Administration is deeply concerned about the ICC Prosecutor’s heedless rush to apply for arrest warrants for senior Israeli officials. At the same time, the Administration opposes the imposition of sanctions against the ICC, its personnel, its judges, or those who assist its work. There are more effective ways to defend Israel, preserve U.S. positions on the ICC, and promote international justice and accountability, and the Administration stands ready to work with the Congress on those options.

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Just because he said something else critical of the ICC doesn't mean he supports the house sanctions.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 16 points 5 months ago

“It’s clear Israel wants to do all it can to ensure civilian protection,” Biden said. “Let me be clear: What’s happening is not genocide.”

The article

[–] faizalr@kbin.run 8 points 5 months ago

Double standard when it comes to their interest.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

The picture shows Biden but the text says House which is controlled by Republicans.

Very disingenuous. Not even the same branch of the government.

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[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Do you people understand how the house works? Jesus tap dancing Christ.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I thought that the USA never signed the ICC agreement.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Yes in fact the US tried to thwart the creation of the ICC as much as they possibly could. The Israel question has been the biggest reason all along. But also they didn’t want Bush being prosecuted for invading Iraq.

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