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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Poilievre wants to make Canada Florida-north.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't think so. Though that's what he might succeed in accomplishing, I don't think Pipsqueak really cares what becomes of Canada. It's incidental to his actual ambitions, not something he's actually trying to do because he wants it to happen.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like the cons to the south, the goal is always just winning the next election. The pay-off is lower taxes for his rich friends and lower enforcement of regulations. They're doing it by aligning with the whackadoo religiofascists because it worked so well in Texas.

Even though that's been the m-o for a decade, hillbillies just don't get it.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Corruption, regulatory capture, etc. Yeah. Okay, I see how it's "the same".

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is the kind of garbage we should expect from the CPC, not a surprise at all, but what does it even mean to "leave LGBT issues to parents"? If a gay person exists is that too much? If a fictional gay person exists in a book is that too much? Can a married teacher acknowledge their spouse? Can a person take a piss without having someone inspect their genitals or call them out?

Conservatives simply will not defend LGBT people and their rights, they will not defend women, they will not defend minorities or immigrants, and they certainly, absolutely, will not defend the working class.

I know it's not popular, but it's times like right now that I get the most pissed off at the both side boosters crawling around calling the CPC and LPC both "neo-liberal" when there are clear and obvious policy and attitude differences between the two parties. Would the CPC have cancelled student loan interest and allowed decades to repay? No. Would the CPC have funded $10 a day childcare nation wide? No. Would the CPC tax carbon, promote EVs, invest in charging infrastructure? No. Would the CPC have invested the resources to lift 91 water boil advisories , and be working on the others? No. Would the CPC have enforced support for women's healthcare? No. Would they be working with the NDP for a national pharmacare program? No. Legal cannabis? Hahahaha No.

I could go on and on and on about the sunlike levels of daylight between the conservative neoliberal CPC and the liberal LPC parties but I feel like I'd be screaming into the void at this point.

We keep up with these false equivalents, not give the LPC credit for their success, and we are just going to end up with the political equivalent of governance by blacked out F150 with skeleton middle finger stickers. Fuck

[–] festus@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago

Worth pointing out that the reason schools talk about LGBTQ issues in the first place is that some of the students and their classmates are themselves LGBTQ - this isn't just a distant political issue that can be ignored until students are adults. How is Poilievre imagining schools should respond if say a transgender child is getting bullied by their classmates? "Ask your parents if it's okay to bully them"?

I grew up in a Christian school / environment that completely ignored LGBTQ issues. Knowing I was different in some way and not having a word for it, and not knowing why my classmates weren't reciprocating my crushes (why wouldn't other guys want an exclusive super best-friend of the same gender...) was hugely damaging for me. Schools have a responsibility to help all kids thrive, and you can't do that if you don't educate kids about the very things affecting them and their classmates.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 1 year ago

The conservative party of Canada is actively trying to kill LGBTQ people.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pipsqueak is concerned about parent's freedom of religion, but he is ignoring that children have a right to education, and that includes things that some parents might not want their children to know about. Parents do NOT have the right to keep their children ignorant, that conflicts with the child's rights.

[–] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Pipsqueak is just concerned with power. Pipsqueaks handlers are concerned with low key racism, rampant unchecked capitalism, pro life views, and Christianity.

So bitch you better get back to the kitchen and bake me a pie. They just don't say it out loud.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, I was speaking within the false narrative, for whatever reason. Of course he isn't personally concerned with freedom of religion, but his comment concerned it.

[–] Awkwardparticle@artemis.camp 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Does the CPC have any intentions of making policy and doing something for Canadians? We have a housing crisis, crazy inflation, and climate change that should be areas of focus for any government, but they want to get off attacking trans people. He is not a leader, he is a snake oil salesman and 30% of the country is too brainwashed to act and think like human beings.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He IS doing something about the terrifying future threatening Canadians: he's doing fascism. His base doesn't want nuanced policy that address root causes. They want a simple scapegoat that they can unburden their fear onto in the form of hatred. That is what PP is providing.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

I'm going to guess cut taxes and limit services for everyone, as if that's ever fixed anything.

[–] CaptainFlintlockFinn@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I guess not. I just went to their site out of curiosity. I couldn’t find any policy statements. Just a vague mission statement type thing.

Update: they have a policy document from 2021 under their ‘governing documents’ heading on the website. The document doesn’t address this issue at all.

[–] Awkwardparticle@artemis.camp 3 points 1 year ago

I remember when parties had their platforms in a book that they would make before every election. Now some parties don't even bother having a platform and win elections. People are voting for representatives that not only don't care about representing them, but in some cases straight up have comptent for their constituents.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Heads in the sand. Classic.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago

... so they can do homophobia for me, keeping my hands nominally clean.

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Why is Canadian politics getting so polarized?

It's either "let's throw money at every ESG issue known to man" or "let's privatize healthcare and water and sell our forests to be developed into parking lots."

It's either "fuck them LGBT kids" or "the medical system has no right to misgender a patient by asking for their sex."

What the fuck is going on?

[–] dlpkl@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's crazy how much support this fuckin retard has on Facebook and Tiktok. Every comment on every post on social media is licking this welfare queen's nutsack and it's annoying as hell.

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is like the 4th time I've seen "retard" used on Lemmy today, I thought we all stopped using that word in the 2000s. I also haven't heard "welfare queen" in a while either.

Poilievre isn't a good person, but we can target him and his political party with words that don't hit others in the crossfire.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

I agree with you.

[–] Oderus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Retard was a widely used word before it was considered non-PC so people, like me still use the term literally and not in a way that denigrates mentally handicapped people. I don't use the term everywhere, just around my local friends who are like-minded.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre says schools should stick to teaching the basics and leave conversations about LGBTQ issues to parents.

in late June, Poilievre accused Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of "butt[ing] into" decisions that "should rest with provinces and parents."

In a speech posted online by Awaz Entertainment, an Urdu-Hindi TV channel, Poilievre spoke about protecting freedom of religion.

A proposal from the Conservative grassroots for next week's policy convention in Quebec City will see party members vote on banning anyone under age 18 from receiving "life altering medicinal or surgical interventions" to change their gender.

New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs has said the policy is about allowing parents to play a role in their child's education without having important information hidden from them.

The Manitoba Progressive Conservatives say that if they are re-elected this fall, they will expand parents' rights over what their children learn in school, which could include a new policy on pronouns.


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[–] jadero@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

As a parent, I just have to say parents do a really shitty job of educating their kids. Me included. If I knew twice what I know now, I would have still been woefully underqualified to turn an infant into a healthy adult, prepared to take on the challenges of life without being a net drain on society. Thank goodness there was half decent schooling available.

School is the only thing that prevents most kids from growing up to be the kinds of adults we hate dealing with. The less control that parents and politicians have over curriculum, the better.