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The entire Western media and political class when Iran launches its strike against Israel:
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Huh? The conflict is at least as old as 1834 (Ottoman empire fell in 1922) and they've been trading blows since well before that.
What was occurring in 1834?
Secretarian religious violence in Israel with proto Israeli terrorists involved. Notably the order issued to murder any Muslim found in Hebron. Many families were removed and would never return with proto Israeli Jews taking "abandoned" property and refusing to relinquish it to this day.
It's a very very old territorial and secretarian conflict, trying to imply it's summer limited modern engagement lacks nuance and is at best myopic.
Palestine was a territory of the Ottoman Empire at the time. Israel did not exist.
From what I can gather online there was a peasant revolt, but nothing sectarian about it. The Ottomans pillaged the villages during and after the revolt.
The movement towards Israeli as a state is a direct result of the actions of 1834, that's specifically why I mentioned it.
Then you didn't read.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed
The problem with this opinion is that it's not based on fact: the Zionist movement originated in Europe as a result of pogroms there, not in the Middle East.
The problem with that opinion is it's not ~~hard~~ based on fact, the families that fled often ended up in Europe. ~~Still~~Some of which were later displaced again by pograms in Europe.
It's literally in the history of Zionism written by avowed Zionists. You might as well argue with water about how wet it may or may not be.
Huh?
The families that fled the Romans?
Modern Zionism ie the Zionism of the Israeli government is not based on Roman pograms though I'm sure some could indeed trace back that far. That said even making your argument proves my point further.
So who did they flee to end up in Europe?
Jesus Christ, respond at glacial speeds without being too bothered about doing any research yourself including apparently looking up like 5 comments.
Ed:
You're a moron, you'd think you'd at least remember your own point.
https://lemmy.world/comment/12692360
Not the ottomans if that's the point you're trying to make.
Couldn't even bother to read the linked comment after all that time.
You're lazy or dumb or both, either way go away dumb dumb.
Ah yes. The ottomans that existed during the Roman empire are to blame.
You really should read the comment chain dude. My point is that there is in fact 1000 years of conflict about it which you just proved.
Fall of Rome being 476ad-ish and today being over a thousand years later.
Good job. It's ok to be dumb and loud, that said dumb, loud and lazy is a bit problematic.
Oh yeah you're right. It was Hamas that blew up Herod's temple.