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Former German diplomat Wolfgang Ischinger says Western leaders should be making more threats and be willing to follow them through.

The West should spend less time fretting about Russian President Vladimir Putin's red lines and set its own, says veteran German diplomat Wolfgang Ischinger. 

“Russia keeps saying, if you do this, if you cross this or that red line, we might escalate,” said the 78-year-old onetime chairman of the Munich Security Conference. “Why don't we turn this thing around and say to them: ‘We have lines and if you bomb one more civilian building, then you shouldn't be surprised if, say, we deliver Taurus cruise missiles or America allows Ukraine to strike military targets inside Russia’?”

 That way the onus will be on Moscow to decide whether to cross the red lines — or face the consequences.

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[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No I'm asking, then what. You throw your red herring around as if that means something.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

here is a nice writeup on red herring and even tips on how to use it more effectively than you've been. The first important thing is understanding the term.

I'll help you over this hill youre lyin' on... Your actual argument from the beginning is that "Israel as a state entity should continue to exist."

Your "red herring's" purpose is to obfuscate your final position (Israel as a state should continue, simply because it's already there.)

By diverting attention towards how difficult it could be logistically, you hide from the immorality of israel's existence.

My OG reply simultaneously dismisses your "ok but how?" argument as fallacious and addresses your real point, "israel should exist". If you actually think israel should exist as an ethnostate someplace, i actually think your country should host them and you should move out so they can have it.

You have not done anything since except complain how its not fair i ignored your bad faith.

Can you please take a little more care in your next response?

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can take your strawman and stick it. In the mean time the whole middle east has been building to this and egged on by people like you we will see it get a lot worse.

I'll bet all those Palestinians are very comforted by knowing people like you have their backs. "No no.. you need to stay in your refugee camps because else the evil Jews won"... 70 years down and people like you helped 300k people kicked from their lands back then, become 5 million people in perpetual misery... But you can rest smuggly that you took the moral high ground.. but then it does not cost you anything.. so there.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But you can rest smuggly

Finally getting you drop your red herring and fall back on your modus operandi of ad hominem was honestly the best outcome i could ask for on the Internet, yes.