You're missing my point and just sticking to the usual false dichotomy of KBM vs. gamepads. I'm saying, we should come up with something better than a device designed for entering text, and I didn't even criticize mice. Keyboard isn't and can't be "optimal" gaming device because that's not its purpose, and it's not what it was optimized for. Games just adapted to accommodate the devices already included with every PC, with varying degrees of success. That is just a fact, not an opinion. Keyboards weren't made for playing games, we just adapted to using them, therefore they aren't optimal.

Which means that we are yet to develop the optimal device for gaming to use in conjunction with the mouse, one that was designed specifically for that purpose. Just because you "don’t know what else would be better when combined with the mouse" (quote from your other comment) it doesn't mean that nobody can design something better.

Yes, controller are purpose built for gaming, and they are definitely far superior in a lot of game genres. But mouse still is better for precision control, be it aiming a gun or selecting a unit. And keyboard is holding it back, because it's just an unoptimized row of buttons.

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Okay. Well pitch something better then. I'm genuinely interested. I'm not trying to be aggressive.

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I didn't set a goal to pitch something better, I just pointed the fact that we use unoptimized hardware and hopefully somebody is working on something better.

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What do you imagine being better though? Like just in general? Some sort of gamepad that has directionals that you use in your left hand while you use the mouse with your right? Something totally different? Like what else is there?

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In the very least, something more rounded and ergonomic than a row of buttons, something that lays out the buttons in such a way that they are more easily reachable without moving or contorting your hand. Fewer buttons for the pinky, more buttons for the thumb, which is now pretty much only used to hit spacebar. Maybe a big analog stick that sits under your palm, so you can tilt your entire hand to move (IDK how how useful that would be, but you wanted me to imagine something), leaving your fingers free to perform other actions.

[–] VOwOxel@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are ergonomic keyboards for those that want them. Look up something like the "Glove80" Keyboard.

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Having an ergonomic keyboard is a step in the right direction, but it's still a device for entering text.

[–] VOwOxel@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

Which is a good thing, I think. The good thing about keyboards is that they can control (to various degrees of efficiency) everything going on on a computer. It's an allrounder and imo does many things well. I'm not denying that there may be better ways to play games (although some outright require a kb, e.g. games with a text chat), but games supporting keyboards is good and natural considering their allrounder nature.

[–] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Power Glove and Mouse obviously

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 1 points 1 month ago

Might as well throw in a full body haptic feedback suit with a built in fleshlight. In all seriousness idk wtf I'm even arguing about anymore in this thread. Keyboard is totally fine.