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[–] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

We get it, he's old. But we should 100% be putting the effort of talking about how he's old into raising the alarm about Trump.

Concern about Biden should pale in comparison to the concern people should have about a potential Trump term.

Biden might run, he might get replaced. Either way him or really ANY potential Democratic replacement are a thousand times better than Trump.

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 23 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Bruh we been raising the alarm about Trump for the past 8 years. It doesn't move the needle. You know what does? A compelling alternative. The problem is, the way the primary is set up, only Joe Biden himself can make the choice to replace Biden on the ticket. He has the votes (thanks to running mostly unopposed), so the party can't actually do anything without Joe's consent. Many (including me) are still concerned that Biden should not be trailing Trump at all in the polls, given how many forces are running against Trump. This is why you continue to hear calls to replace Biden. Yes, you and me are going to vote Blue not matter who. But my moderate uncle in Wisconsin will not, and he's the kind of voter that is going to decide this election. And you can say all you want about Project 2025 or felony convictions or whatever. These moderates are stuck on the idea that this election is simply "the old guy vs. the rude guy, again", and raising the alarm about Trump just sounds like more liberal-whinging to these people.

[–] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I mean, you are correct also. These are all good points.

But it's just becoming the only thing people are talking about, at a time where pretty major trump news (Epstein papers) should be the major talking point. It's overshadowing everything.

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

i'm not saying that that isn't big news, i'm just saying that Trump's pedophilic tendencies have already been known to all of the people that might read a news article about the new details from the Epstein papers. Trump has also done 10x more things that are equally ugly and disgusting. I just don't think there's a point to reporting "Trump is gross and evil" anymore. Everyone knows and has made up their mind about him.

[–] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Id argue a lot of the same undecided voters might not have heard this before, and might be swayed. (Also might be swayed learning about project 2025 etc.)

But the more we belabour Biden being old and needing to be replaced, the same undecided (not paying as much attention) voters might think there's something wrong with him and sit out, or vote for Trump. I think that's the danger of focusing on this too much

[–] memfree@beehaw.org 3 points 4 months ago

To woo voters, I think we should all write the White House and ask for a new candidate with a, "No Kings allowed" message -- probably our VP, Kamala Harris. I think it would get the undecided to pay attention for a minute. I want her (or anyone) out there saying things like, "Dictator? We founded our nation because we knew Monarchs -- and autocrats in general -- were a bad idea!" and, "Nazis? White Nationalism? How many of you have family members who were killed or injured fighting that war? We know we don't want that here. We know how that turns out if unopposed!"

Lastly, the new message should be about government serving the PUBLIC instead of itself.

[–] chaos@beehaw.org 4 points 4 months ago

"The US President might be in cognitive decline" is a massive news story, as is "The only opponent to a fascist is one more bad night away from his campaign completely imploding," and also "the President's own party says behind closed doors that he's in massive trouble, but is sticking with him in public."

[–] millie@beehaw.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If he's unopposed, who exactly is this great new candidate who is going to magically appear?

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There are multiple people that could probably outperform Biden in this election. He ran unopposed because it is generally frowned upon to run against your party's incumbent, and no one that had a chance wanted to get on the Dem party's bad side.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

Here's the facts: replacing the incumbent in a primary is a guaranteed loss. We're taking a risk keeping Biden in, but the alternative is horrific.

So stop talking this shit like it's anything other than a forfeit.