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Trump lied and Biden got tongue tied at the first debate. So why is the world only focusing on one?
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You can always vote how you wish. Voting third party in the presidential election is always just a vanity vote. Nothing about the next election will change this. If you want to change it, you're going to have to go out and work from the ground up.
I believe that the Democrat Party is so terrible that the second the republicans ease up, the built up hate against the democrats will make third parties more palatable, or the democrats will take their head out of their collective asses and push left policies.
Even if a third party rises up and unseats a major party, we'll still revert quickly to a two party system and the issue will persist. This is what I mean about it being a vanity vote: it solves nothing.
If you want to dismantle the two party system, you have to change how we vote. That ain't coming from the top down. Get out locally and support groups and policies that push star or ranked choice voting. This is how we get that change.
Voting in a presidential election, as of now, is a strategic decision. For the vast majority of people, that means voting for the "lesser of two evils" as much as we hate it.
Not going to happen locally as long as democrats are in power. So my first order of business is to vote them out. I already mentioned that i was voting Biden i am quite sure
Well, I have local democrats who are actually pushing the change, so I disagree. However, even if what you say is true, your ability to influence policy is much greater locally, so you can unseat democrats there. My point still stands: voting third party in the presidential election has virtually no hope of solving the problem.
DC https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/08/08/dc-ranked-choice-ballot-measure-open-primaries-lawsuit/
New York https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/12/democrats-election-ranked-choice-voting-new-york/617461/
California https://ballot-access.org/2022/02/20/california-bill-to-ban-ranked-choice-voting/
Nevada https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/sisolak-rosen-and-other-top-democrats-oppose-ranked-choice-voting-measure
It’s a Democratic platform to oppose RCV and with such excuses as it will confuse the black population. Just… woof…
I was specifically told that i could vote my opinion on the matter after the presidential election, but not a second before.
Wow, really got that talking point and sticking to it.
Its probably the single most consistent message i get here. Its a part of the package of “you can’t talk shit about the democrats because whataboutism or something” and “only democrats are interested in left leaning policies, it’s just not a good time to actually do it right now” or “your vote matters and is worth just as much as everyone else’s” and my favorite “sometimes you just have to accept that the democrats have to be the ones to walk the negotiation table, it’s important to try to win that moderate that is on the fence”