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"But lost in the hand wringing was Donald Trump’s usual bombastic litany of lies, hyperbole, bigotry, ignorance, and fear mongering. His performance demonstrated once again that he is a danger to democracy and unfit for office.”

“In fact, the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.”

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[–] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 167 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I've yet to hear a good criticism of Biden that isn't also true of Trump. Yet the media rarely writes a headline like "Trump should drop out/resign/kill himself"

Because he obviously won't. He will pursue your freedoms, wealth and sanity until his dying breath.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 76 points 4 months ago (12 children)

Biden stuttered and is old.

Neither disqualifies him for the presidency

[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 67 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

If it leads that way, this meme is real. Now I'll remember this moment forever.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago (6 children)

This is not fair description of his debate performance. He didn't stutter, he crashed like an old computer trying to keep 50 chrome tabs running and then barely dragged himself out of it with incoherent nonsense like "we beat Medicare."

It doesn't disqualify him, it just lowers the bar for Trump.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It doesn’t disqualify him, it just lowers the bar for Trump

This is the real takeaway. We've reached a point where we're not even sure either one can stay awake during important meetings.

See? Shoulda went with Bernie Sanders. He may be just as old, but he's too angry to rest. He sees the injustices of the world, and he's been barking about them since the 60s. Getting arrested for his causes.

I'm not saying Biden isn't sincere, but Sanders is so sincere that he's passionately angry at the system. The only thing that disqualifies him in my eyes is his age.......but fuck, if these are our only other two options, it's not much of a disqualification, is it? Biden gets confused halfway through his thought process that he moves over to another thought process midsentence. And Trump doesn't even start the sentence with a coherent thought process.

So....uhhhh.......guess we're all just fucked?

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago

Important meetings? During his presidency, Trump skipped most of his daily intelligence briefings.

Forget staying awake, Trump doesn't even show up.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

He's old, it was his bedtime and instead we asked him to go to a debate. He did just fine, and there was nothing incoherent about it. Even trump was coherent, he just lied and kept saying how everything he did and was involved in was the greatest thing to ever be done ever, which made him look psycho (which he is)

[–] DxK@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

He’s old, it was his bedtime and instead we asked him to go to a debate. He did just fine, and there was nothing incoherent about it.

Seriously. Unlike Trump, who spent his entire Presidency ranting on Twitter all night and golfing all day... Biden probably goes to bed early both because he's old and because he spends his days actually doing his job. The debate performance was disappointing, I get it. But the media acting like he's being ~~Weekend at Bernie's~~ Dianne Feinstein'd around D.C. is ridiculous. It sucks that this is where we're at as a country... but "old guy" vs. "old guy who wants a fascist dictatorship" should not be a fucking struggle for voters.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

I think the struggle for voters is wondering why we don't just hand the keys to country back to england. I mean seriously.....THIS is the best we got??? Lets check in on English politics, shall we?

reads about Englands July 4th election

Well fuck.....

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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 13 points 4 months ago

He’s old, it was his bedtime and instead we asked him to go to a debate.

Holy crap how can you say things like this and think it's supporting him? The presidency isn't something that just pauses for bedtime and campaigning involves a lot of being "on" over and over again, sometimes at night.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

He did just fine, and there was nothing incoherent about it

He really didn't from what I saw, it was awful.

[–] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There was nothing incoherent about it? Did you watch the debate? I’ll vote for the man but he was horrible in the debate.

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[–] Yearly1845@reddthat.com 5 points 4 months ago

"Abortion rights are good! Why don't you talk about all the immigrants killing our pregnant women why don't you talk about that?"

Trump: "I will do exactly that, thank you".

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago

He should have tried having an h2o

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[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He has even said he is slowing down and can't debate as well as used to. This doesn't technically disqualify him, but it should be a huge red flag that he isn't and wasn't the best candidate. That's the real problem.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

oh, no disagreement here-- but it's either Biden or Cheeto Mussolini.

i'm glad you're not choosing that latter!

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Oh I know. I live in a swing state, so I have to plug my nose and vote.

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[–] smnwcj@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago

Unfortunately the question isn't whether to fire him, but if he can win an election appearing as a sickly confused old man.

He spit in the face of an energized lefty base, so he is gambling the future of the country on low information Pennsylvanian voters in a popularity contest.

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[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Exactly! If you say that Biden should drop out for the good of the country, a bunch of people nod their heads, but if you say trump should, everyone just laughs.

I'm for sure on team "Not Trump, and not a Republican." I think the debate really may have weakened Biden's chances, but I can't think of anyone who I'm confident could do better in the election. And I really mean "in the election" - there are certainly some who I think could do better as president, but they either don't have the name recognition or wouldn't pull in the moderates.

I'd love to see a true progressive, but there are an awful lot of people who simply won't vote for one. So I'm sticking with Biden and hoping for the best.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's because dropping out is 100% not in Trump's character. He's in the race for himself, everyone - even his supporters - knows that, and asking him to drop out is like asking a zebra to try all-black.

Biden, OTOH, is a public servant and presents himself as trying to do the best things possible for the country. He ran in 2020 to 'save us from Trump,' and he's running again with that premise. You can disagree with Biden on what is best for the country, and maybe convince him that someone else might be better able to beat Trump in 2024. I'm not really all that engaged, so I have no idea who the next-best Democrat would be, but Biden stepping aside is at least within the realm of conceivable possibilities.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I completely agree, which was more or less my point.

I can't think of a Democrat who has a better chance from this juncture, sadly.

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[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’d love to see a true progressive, but there are an awful lot of people who simply won’t vote for one. So I’m sticking with Biden and hoping for the best.

There's an awful lot of people who also simply won't vote for someone in Biden's physical condition. Don't even need to replace him with someone progressive. Most of his voters are "blue no matter who" people who wouldn't care if he was replaced.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I think the numbers of those two groups are significantly different. There are a number of moderate Republicans who will vote for Biden but wouldn't vote for someone like Sanders or AOC.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There are no moderate Republicans. Anyone who calls themselves a Republican in 2024 is a fascist, whether intentionally or not makes no practical difference. They will never ever vote for a Democrat. Calling them reachable voters is so hilariously out of touch that it makes me wonder where you've been the last 8 years.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I know quite a number of them. My company is overall pretty conservative, with lots of ex military. Many folks are lifelong Republicans but have adamantly said they won't vote for Trump.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I hope you're right about that but I'll be legitimately shocked if that turns out to be true to any significant degree.

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[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden being replaced by a progressive like AOC or Sanders isn't even remotely likely though, which is why I didn't mention all of the people who won't vote if they're not motivated to who'd come out for someone like AOC/Sanders/Warren/etc. And replace him with a "moderate" who didn't support Israel, and you'd get a lot more votes from people who are alienated by that issue.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Like who are you thinking?

[–] iamericandre@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He should definitely do the last one

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I hate it when people fantasizes with the death of that asshole.

Because 1) if he dies, he will be immediately elevated to god status. Not good. Case in point: Venezuela.

And 2) I want that asshole to spend his days in prison, even if it's house arrest.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Idc if he ascends to God status, because he's already there to his ilk. If he wasn't alive, he wouldn't be able to do anything else bad, and I wouldn't have to here his stupid voice anymore. He might be a martyr, but he'd be the best kind of martyr. A dead one.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Isn't being dead one of the main prerequisites for being a martyr?

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As I was typing it out I thought that, and almost looked it up, but then I thought, can't a living prisoner also be a martyr? In end I didn't verify, and I am probably wrong. The essence of what I meant still stands though, and that's what's important.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I just threw it into duckduckgo. It came back with the American heritage dictionary having 6 definitions that were evenly split between death and great suffering.

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[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

....he will be immediately elevated to god status...

The lying, adulterous, treasonous, traitor is well-beyond there....

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[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

I've yet to hear a good criticism of Biden that isn't also true of Trump.

Example?

Has Biden tried to overturn the government?

Edit: I see it now. Disregard the above.

[–] brian@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I think you're taking it the wrong way. I understand it as "anything negative about Biden, is also true about Trump"

  • Biden is old, so is Trump
  • Biden struggles speaking cohesively, so does Trump
  • etc.
[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Thanks. I see it now.

[–] kinsnik@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

That is a valid criticism of Trump that is not true for biden. What op said was that any valid criticism of biden would also be true for trump, not the other way around. So trump has all the bad stuff that biden has plus the whole traitor, convicted criminal, narcissistic cult leader thing

[–] wagesj45@kbin.run 4 points 4 months ago

All men are apes, but not all apes are men.

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