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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 76 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Sisko didn't have the privilege of being a peace time captain. He had to be at the center of a war between galaxies with everything at stake. He didn't have a choice how agents he may have protected acted. he didn't command, direct, or approve of their methods. He only benifited, and protected, with disgust and grief for the values he once held dear. But all he had then was the list of all those lost, and the precise knowledge that losing the war, ment total destruction to everything and everyone he cared about. It would be future generations that would judge him, no one who marched through the mud along side him would.

[–] half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world 43 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He literally used quark's nephew as extortion leverage in the first episode.

[–] Zoko_Argen@feddit.uk 45 points 4 months ago (4 children)

To be fair, that's probably expected in Ferengi custom

[–] finley@lemm.ee 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

He even cited an ancient Ferengi custom: plea-bargaining.

(Also an ancient human custom, shh!)

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's fine. I am reminded of an old Vulcan expression: Only Nixon can go to China

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

More rude not to, honestly.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Yeah that's just good business.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

a war between galaxies

Quadrants of the same galaxy.

Just saying.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I wasn't sure if that the best terminology.

[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago

Intragalactic war?

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He didn't command, direct, or approve of any of their methods. He only benefited, and protected, with disgust and grief for the values he once held dear.

So… I lied. I cheated. I bribed men to cover the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to murder. But the most damning thing of all… I think I can live with it. And if I had to do it all over again, I would. Garak was right about one thing, a guilty conscience is a small price to pay for the safety of the Alpha Quadrant. So I will learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it… Computer, erase that entire personal log.

Truly disgusted and grief stricken.

[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 months ago

Well, he does imply he has a guilty conscience; he's just also saying he can live with it.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

Well put. There were still those that judged his choices/actions, but then, those detractors likely would have made radically different and likely detrimental decisions in the name of peace.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

"It's easy to be a saint in paradise."

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

no one who marched through the mud along side him would.

You had me until this line.

Ain't no mud in space. Ain't no mud ever on starfleet uniforms.

I bet if anyone even wanted to SEE mud in the Star Trek universe they would need a team of engineers to craft some in a replicator.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Laforge and that romulan were covered in mud after they got trapped on that planet

[–] Dud@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

What about Henry Mudd?

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Beamed directly out of the butt and into a small shuttle that follows behind a starfleet ship.

Once the shuttle fills up to the point that it's almost bulging with pressure from all the feces, they park it on some forgotten moon and wait for alien explorers to discover it and open it up to see what's inside.

[–] constantokra@lemmy.one 5 points 4 months ago

This is why voyager had so many shuttles. Once they started beaming the poop into space instead of shuttles they could use their entire stock of poop shuttles as normal shuttles. Bit of an extravagance for the delta quadrant, really