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[–] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 208 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Some undecideds, sure. It only takes ten thousand voters in a couple swing states to change the outcome.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 55 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean, that could have been the difference in the 2016 election.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 70 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Remember when Clinton lost the election because the FBI didn't find anything on her assistant's laptop?

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 73 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I mean she could have spent a weekend in Michigan. That was an unforced error.

She could have addressed her relationship with Goldman Sachs, and all the other banks that fucked over the entirety of the American people during the housing crisis that she earned millions upon millions giving "speeches" to.

She could have made an olive branch to the progressive caucus.

She could have not said "Sit down and shut up" to BLM activists.

There are a lot of things she could have done.

[–] msage@programming.dev 41 points 6 months ago (2 children)

She could have Pokemon gone to Michigan

[–] Classy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago
[–] dditty@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 3 points 6 months ago

With hot sauce in her purse? 👛👜

That's a trick question btw - the hot sauce is always in her purse! 😂

[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 32 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Or, like, hear me out, the Democrats could have not nominated her and nominated someone who isn't strongly disliked by both sides.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Should've Been Bernie

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

She could also not have stolen the fucking nomination from Sanders

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

I think she would've won regardless of everything else, but it would've been closer. Really the mistake from the primaries is that she didn't really try to incorporate any of Bernie's ideas into her platform, or even work with him at all. She treated him as an opponent and obstacle, not as a rival and peer.

This is where Biden was successful however -- he didn't dismiss Bernie nor his platform ideas. He did incorporate some into presidency, most obviously the climate change policies and student debt forgiveness where possible.

And where I sincerely believe this difference came down to -- Biden was friendly to Bernie in the Senate and made an effort to be friendly colleagues, if not work friends. Clinton didn't. It shows the power of cooperation allying together with progressives, instead of allying together with "moderate" Republicans.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Its fine though. The Supreme Court said they can rig their own primaries. /s

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That's all true, but she still would have won without the dramatic search of Huma Abadeen's laptop.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

You know I completely forgot about that laptop thing. I remember the emails but that is about it.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I dont think that moved anyone. Like I really dont. The laptop thing was only interesting to Trump die-hards.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe, but it happened right before the election. I observed noticeable shift in attitude. That's not good evidence, I know, but Clinton's polls which had been steady, took a 3% dip at the time and stayed down through election day.

People talked about the polls being off compared to the election, but the election matched the post-Comey polls pretty well. It's only the polls that mixed pre-Comey data that were too high for Clinton.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

If you are interested in doing a more detailed analysis of this, I can supply you with some boiler plate code. 538 has pretty detailed polling data that's free to download. I'm going to be getting into it later in June for my monthly polling update.

I was considering calculating Trumps polling error differential from 2016 and seeing how it changed to 2020. I did a map of his differential polling error for 2020 for my update two weeks ago.

I'm also considering of taking the differential polling result for just swing states, applying it to current polling, and mapping out a series of 'pathways' to 270 for each candidate, highlighting where the pressure points are.

I think a trying to model the impact of a single news story could be pretty interesting.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

There were a lot of factors at play in 2016, and the margin was tiny. She had a lot of factors under her control that could've led to victory.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Voters decided against her for mishandling classified documents, right? So these same voters, who think things through with consistency and integrity, will decide against someone who stole boxes of documents and got CIA agents killed selling state secrets to Russia, right?

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Trying to run for president while having two X chromosomes was a massive error on her part as well.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 45 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It blows my mind that anyone can still be undecided in 2024.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 13 points 6 months ago

Lot of people don’t pay any attention to politics. Yes, even in this climate.