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Do any of them know what the word "liberal" actually means?

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[–] orrk@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

look, tankies aren't leftists, they are fascists wearing the skin of the lefties they killed

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 7 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Fascism isn't just authoritarianism. It is a certain set of conditions that can essentially be boiled down to as "colonial violence against the imperial core" but it is incredibly more complicated than that.

Words have meaning, and you should look up those meanings before you start just throwing them around.

[–] orrk@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Words DO have meaning, and you just butchered so many of them it's not even funny.

fundamentally, fascism is the belief that social hierarchies are not only natural but preferable to any other social system that attempts to disrupt said natural order, all other aspects of fascism stem from this one line of understanding

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Social hierarchies are always going to be present, even anarchists believe that. Fascism just assumes that they are natural and inherent, while leftists beleive that those hierarchies should be voluntary or chosen by the people.

Just becauae you haven't done any political reading doesn't mean i don't know what words read.

[–] orrk@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

the entire idea of the progressive moment is to abolish these hierarchies, then again the American "leftist" understanding is so fucked at this point that I can see you believing this, as most "communists" in the states are tankies, that would also explain the horrible misunderstanding of fascism along imperial lines, because you literally don't have any other larger critical lens in the states, as most of you aren't upset about the existence of hierarchies, but just have the feeling that you are not in your deserved spot of said hierarchy

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Fascism has nothing to do with colonial vs imperial, wtf

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Can't have fascism without a strong national identity and an activist military.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Which again is an entirely separate thing from colonialism. The two may go together but they're not necessarily linked in any way.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Which colonial power lacks a politically influential profit-seeking military?

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Who cares? They're not related to fascism

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

When the military returns to the imperial core, it's fascism

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Amusing take, considering the source material

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

tankies aren’t leftists

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