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[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 48 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's missing child marriages.

The Bible is pretty fucked.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I don't think this is true - at least not in the Hebrew Bible (I don't know much about the Greek/Christian parts). What verse/ passage are you thinking of?

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Fourth book of the Torah says that the army has to kill women who have known a man but to keep the little girls (women children) for themselves. Here's some commentary about it:

The little ones — The object of the command to kill every male was to exterminate the whole nation, the cup of whose iniquity was full. For the righteousness of the mode see Joshua 6:21, note. Every woman who might possibly have been engaged in the licentious worship of Peor was to share the fate of the male children, to preserve Israel from all taint of that abomination. The pure maidens could be incorporated into Israel without peril to the national religion. Joshua 6:23-25, notes. They could not be treated as concubines, since the law against fornication was in full force, (Deuteronomy 22:25-29,) but they could be lawfully married to their captors (Deuteronomy 21:10-14).

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well, that's the difference. This is just Daniel Whedon's personal interpretation. It's not included in the list above because those are all explicit - not just one person's interpretation. Obviously a commentary is subjective by nature. Why open up a solid argument to debate by introducing a lower quality argument based on a subjective opinion?

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What were they keeping the little girls for?

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Here are a few examples of arguments that this entire line of thinking opens you up to:

  1. "keep" is a mistranslation - the original text says הַחֲי֖וּ, which means "let live."
  2. "young girls" is a mistranslation: "young girls" would be ילדות, but instead this says הַטַּ֣ף, which could mean "children" or "families,"
  3. According to BDB (one of the most widely used English biblical lexicons), sometimes the "word includes (or implies) women as well as children"
  4. Other commentaries say that they were taken not as wives, but as slave workers.

Why do you want to mess around with all that nonsense? Just use the unambiguous examples from OP's infographic.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ah, so just enslave children.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Girl children. And as we all know it's ok to bang your slaves according to the Tanakh.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Yep, physical and sexual abuse is part-and-parcel of slavery.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I was literally just responding to someone saying they didn't think it happened in the Hebrew Bible. I happen to think it does. If someone is of the opinion that the text here is fine and they've studied that much I just assume they're paying 50 shekels (a bit over 13USD in today's money) so they can rape someone and have a wife which makes them a garbage person that I have no interest in interacting.

I'm old and tired. I could give a shit less what the counter arguments are for someone who tries to justify and talk their way around raping kids and/or owning people no matter which Abrahamic nonsense they happen to believe.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I think they’re thinking of Mary and Joseph (Miriam and Yusef). The ages are tradition not scripture iirc. But yes, she was 14 but it was closer to an engagement until she was old enough to move out of her parents’ house. Which also is fucked up, but like in terms of ancient pedophilia? It’s on the low end.