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If you believe what Janeway did to Tuvix was wrong, does Spock get a pass? (startrek.website)

submitted 1 year ago by GuyFleegman@startrek.website to c/daystrominstitute@startrek.website

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I want to live!

- EvilKirk's last words

Whatever else you want to say about EvilKirk, it's pretty clear that he didn't want to be merged back into the single Kirk. Despite this, there is no shortage of reasons why it was a good idea to merge the Kirks: the Enterprise needed its CO back, GoodKirk wanted to do it, and it seems possible that the strain of remaining split would have eventually killed EvilKirk anyways. However, the fact remains that EvilKirk did not consent to the procedure which ended his existence.

Clearly the circumstances here are quite different and there's basically no argument to be made that allowing EvilKirk to continue to exist would benefit any involved party, EvilKirk included. But for the purposes of this comparison, the only fact that really matters is that EvilKirk was just as passionate about his desire to continue existing as Tuvix was.

Yet—and it's obvious where I'm going with this—"Spock murdered EvilKirk" is not a meme.

So what gives? Did Spock murder EvilKirk or not? If yes, why does he get a pass while Janeway is condemned?

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[–] TeaHands@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always got the impression that the Kirks were both destined to wither away and die if kept separate, but it's been a while so I might be wrong there.

There's also the issue that EvilKirk was a danger to everyone else on the ship. You could make the argument that if he survived, he could have learned to control his behaviour, but I'm not sure that's the case for a personality entirely made up of those negative traits.

It's definitely a moral grey area, whereas with the Tuvix situation it's more black and white. There was no danger to anyone else, he was well-liked and a credit to the ship, there was basically no reason for Janeway to split him back apart other than "I want to".

[–] GuyFleegman@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Janeway’s decision was far from arbitrary. She did it to save the lives of Tuvok and Neelix, who were unable to advocate for themselves at the time.

[–] Shift_@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

YES!
EXACTLY!

Everyone wants to save Tuvix because they like him. But nobody wants to save Tuvok or Neelix. They didn't consent to dying so Tuvix could live. If you agree Tuvix is a person, then you cannot disregard that so were Tuvok and Neelix. Where was their funeral? Does Tuvok's family not get it's husband and father back because the crew liked Tuvix better? The two people who's opinion mattered the most couldn't be consulted. If Tuvix is a person, his judgement on the matter is simply too biased as his sense of self preservation would interfere with objective decision-making.

To save Tuvix was to murder Tuvok and Neelix.