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The first generation without tobacco, an increasingly probable utopia? (www.publico.es)

submitted 7 months ago by Ignacio@kbin.social to c/health@lemmy.world

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The number of daily smokers in Spain decreases every year and some countries are already legislating their progressive illegalization. However, new forms of consumption such as vaping show that there is still a long way to go.

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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The main issue is that it's not something that only affects the user. Secondhand smoke ruins lungs and lives.

Now, making it where smoking is less desirable, less convenient, more expensive, etc. can go a long way without a direct ban.

Kinda like how being homeless isn't literally illegal, but effectively illegal in many places.

Edit - Clarification here: https://lemmy.world/comment/8884043

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I feel like that's quite possibly the worst example you could have chosen to support your statement. Making it close to illegal to be homeless is wrong, and a treatment of symptoms not the illness. Besides which, secondhand smoke is not something that just lurks around waiting to jump into some kids lungs. Smoke settles. What makes it a problem is when someone smokes inside, or when they smoke right next to someone that doesn't want to smoke. That is called being an asshole.

Secondhand smoke is an issue of responsibility. If people can be taught to drink responsibly, then people can be taught to smoke responsibly.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I wasn't even being remotely equitable in how I feel about one or the other.

So lemme clear the air, so-to-speak:

Being homeless should never be treated negatively, and we should help people overcome it in every way possible (housing first).
Secondhand smoke is a choice that a smoker makes, a choice that literally affects others in every negative conceivable way, and we should make life harder and harder for smokers. (Even harder for the manufacturers)

Smokers should be ostracized like we did with COVIDiots; they shouldn't get to be in public spaces when smoking; they should be isolated until the smoking is over; any lingering stench should be scoured from them before they're reintroduced to the public.

Don't even think to get my words twisted. We treat the homeless like we SHOULD treat smokers.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

I'm not twisting your words. You're saying we should shame smokers the way we do homeless people, because you for some reason are too dumb to see the hypocrisy.

Shaming homeless people doesn't work. Shaming smokers will also not work. You are just wrong, no amount of explanation will justify it.