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[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'll disagree with that, as someone lemmy would classify as a moderate.

We all know the Dems are the only adults in the room. We know they actually want to govern. We accept that the majority of them are corporate shills, but also want to improve things for the people as long as there's not a direct conflict with corporate America.

Most importantly, we recognize that the other party wants to pillage this country and burn down everything and hand it over to the filthy rich.

If the Dems got into petty attacks on Republicans, you would not lose moderate voters. You may lose more Progressives, but let's be honest, all it takes is one wedge issue to lose Progressives. They are not a vote worth pursuing. It's getting more of the red vote, or at least creating voter apathy in the Right by branding all their politicians as the absolute clowns they are.

20 years ago, I would say you were right. Being respectable was a draw. But actions speak louder than words, and the Republican's actions for the last decade have been absolutely vile. Rhetoric won't change that.

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If the Dems got into petty attacks on Republicans, you would not lose moderate voters. You may lose more Progressives

hard disagree. every progressive I know is ready for a dirty fucking fight.

but let's be honest, all it takes is one wedge issue to lose Progressives. They are not a vote worth pursuing

and this advice, fellow internet peeps, is how you lose elections to fascists.

[–] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I consider myself a progressive, and I want that fight. I want the Democrats to show some spine.

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

exactly. the only ones that have shown spine in the Democratic caucus thus far have been progressives.

people mistake activism to move the party in a better direction as "peeling off progressives over wedge issues". its bullshit.

those same progressives that abhor the current genocidal orgy in Gaza are the same ones that will fight with their lives to protect their socially and poitically vulnerable family, friends and neighbors.

everyone I persoanlly know that self identifies "left" is begging for a goddamn smackdown of these fascists. these are the people that will bring the heat, light and energy at the community level to a depressingly limp Democratic party.

[–] ferralcat@monyet.cc 4 points 7 months ago

This is exactly what he was saying though, isn't it? Biden literally used the sotu a few weeks ago to publically call them clowns and you just ignored it. You have a narrative in your head you want to be true, so you'll seek out whatever you need to make it that way. It's a waste of time to pursue your vote. It's already decided.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

but let’s be honest, all it takes is one wedge issue to lose Progressives. They are not a vote worth pursuing

and this advice, fellow internet peeps, is how you lose elections to fascists.

Uh huh. I guess all those Progressives that refused to vote for Hillary because of the DNC scandal don't count. Or all the progressives, who are very loudly declaring they won't vote for genocide, don't count. Or the california progressives currently decrying Adam Schiff's (checks notes) attack ads on a Republican as actually designed to raise his name recognition so Schiffs progressive opponent would lose to a republican, don't count.

If you think all of the above are ridiculous reasons not to vote Dem in the general election, then you're not the idiotic progressive fringe I'm talking about, and your vote is already secure.

[–] grue@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

We accept that the majority of them are corporate shills

FYI, you're not a moderate. You're a leftist in denial.

...but let’s be honest, all it takes is one wedge issue to lose Progressives. They are not a vote worth pursuing.

Edit: make that a self-hating leftist in denial.