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All good things in America should be treated with suspicion
It's not uncommon to have religious symbolism in flags. ๐ฆ๐จ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ง๐ฒ๐ฆ๐บ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ป๐ฎ๐ช๐ฌ๐ง๐ธ๐ฆ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ด๐ธ๐ช๐ฎ๐ถ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ
Just a quick glance through flag emojis for some.
Love that someone downvoted this
Probably for implying that "we're going to conquer the world for our religion that was specifically racist until 2013 and abolish the separation of church and state" is the same thing as a cross or moon.
Wait until you hear about Islam ๐ฎ๐ถ๐ธ๐ฆ
I'm gonna be real with you chief, of all the things you can accuse fundamentalist Muslims of racism isn't really one them (the faith actually demands anti-racism... For the Faithful TM), and everything else they do Mormons can match.
Weird hangups about drugs? Yup.
Patriarchal polygamy? Yeppers.
Wanting to establish a global theocracy? You know it.
Weirdly obsessed with a desert city? Damn skippy.
So, idk, seems like a pretty clear victor there on the checklist. Anti-racism zealotry is better than specifically racist zealotry.
Also, just saying, a Muslim has never tried to convert me door to door.
The faith isn't racist. You just have to do Arab rituals, wear Arab clothing, pray in Arabic, and the only proper way to read the Qur'an is if you know Arabic. Oh and also make a pilgrimage to Arabia.
Although I do concede that Mormonism is worse with the fabrication that the mark of cain is upon non white people, and that Islam doesn't really call for discrimination against other races.
I don't know about minority Mormon sects, but Latter-day Saints do not believe in the "mark of Cain" and do not believe in racial discrimination. We're pretty big on the "Golden Rule".
A recent sermon by one of the leaders of the Church on the topic: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2022/10/28christofferson?lang=eng#p7
Fair enough, my bad
It's still plenty racist.
In Utah, its functionally non-existent. You don't win city dog catcher if the electorate thinks you're somehow anti-Mormon. You won't be appointed to anything, either.
Go back to when those flags were originally stitched up and you're going to find evangelical views remarkably similar to that of modern Mormons. Religious supremacy is at the heart of virtually every major surviving world religion. Putting a big cross on your flag and going out to conquer your religious rivals goes back to Constantine the Great.
It absolutely means the same thing.
The beehive isn't the significant religious symbol to Latter-day Saints that you think it is. Those of us not from Utah barely know about the symbol's relationship to the history of the Church.