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Anime Questions, Recommendations, and Discussion Thread [Week 7] (ani.social)
submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by wjs018@ani.social to c/anime@ani.social
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A new Monday means it is a new general discussion thread. We are at or near the halfway point of the season for most of the winter shows. I plan on dedicating next week's thread to a midterm report of sorts, so look forward to it! In the meantime, please use this thread to talk about what you have watched recently, any questions you might have, recommendations, or whatever else strikes your fancy. Like usual, a couple examples:

  • Are there any shows with more suggestive eyecatches than Bravern?
  • Is Metallic Rouge some elaborate experiment to see how long an audience will watch pretty nonsense?
  • Is Kensuke from Dungeon Meshi basically a Pokemon that Laios uses to fight?

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[–] zabadoh@ani.social 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

So after cooking in my brain overnight, here's my proposal:

Allow users to post links to discussion threads like I have been doing for Dungeon Meshi and Freiren.

As a mod, you might be able to lock the posts to prevent comments, but this is more work for you and so far my results have been good, and users have been following the links to other /C's for discussion.

  1. This allows users to demonstrate enthusiasm for shows we have been watching and enjoying.

I haven't tried it yet, but I think we should be able to add a screenshot for such "Link to episode discussion" posts

  1. This cuts down on the Pokemon, Sazae-san, Pon No Michi problem of empty posts for unpopular or unwatched shows.

2a) Conversely, the "link to discussion" posts serve as a reminder of what episodes dropped that day, and are considered by someone to be worth watching.

2b) There's added incentive for user investment in this /c in the race to make the episode discussion link.

  1. I feel gratified by the upvotes for my "Link to episode discussion" posts, even though our users have been well behaved, and no comments have been posted in the link threads. Those valuable Interwebs points...

  2. I have found that the best episode discussion does not always happen in !episode_discussion@ani.social

This is the case of Dungeon Meshi, where the episode posts in !dungeonmeshi@ani.social have been banging!

But I feel Dungeon Meshi the rare case where the show is good enough and has its own good /c

  1. There is a downside in that we won't have a one stop shop to see if we have new comments in the episode discussions. I think this could be a big one.

  2. I propose that !episode_discussions have a liberal mod addition policy, to allow mods to add screenshots to shinobu-generated threads.

Can a mod create a new mod with restrictions, such as to only allow adding images/screenshots to the OP?

This is in order to bring some color to the otherwise bland looking threads.

[–] wjs018@ani.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

All of this (and the other comments in this thread) have been valuable feedback. I am thinking about all of this and swirling it around in my brain. I have decided a couple guidelines based on the feedback so far:

  • I think bringing discussion posts into this community is for the best. We have enough activity in this community now that, with the modest number of shows people have been actively engaging with, it doesn't drown out the other content.
  • I want to keep users in the loop, but would like to have some level of automation to better track and update things like the Thread Guide.

I am thinking about the best balance to strike with this. Either something like a bot takes over posting regularly after user-made threads generate some interest, or perhaps the bot doesn't make any posts and instead just monitors posts made by users. This second option would need me to enact some formatting rules on the posts to make sure that threads could be picked up by the bot.

I also like the screenshots that have been used for discussion threads recently. Neither mods or instance admins are able to edit post information one-sidedly, so only the original poster is able to edit the link to be a screenshot. So, if we end up with bot-created posts, I have worked on making sure some art is included. For example, something like the cover image or banner image for a show, both of which are accessible via the AniList api.

I appreciate the ideas and feedback people have had so far. Still lots of thinking to do about this. I have been working on some code for a while now, but it has changed a lot as my thoughts on what I want as an end product change.

[–] 1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I still think keeping episode discussion separate is better, and I like zabadoh's suggestion to let people make link posts from here to the threads. It will reduce the clutter to 0-reply threads here.

But my main concern is having timely discussion posts. I don't always watch episodes immediately, but when I do, sometimes I find that no discussion thread is created yet, and I don't feel like making a new post, looking up all the old posts to link to, properly format it etc. so I just leave and come back in a few days and comment if I still remember to (and still remember what I wanted to say). Call me lazy but however small a barrier you think it is, it is there and I think getting Shinobu repaired will greatly enhance the experience here.

To reiterate, making properly formatted posts with links to previous episodes, is something that can and should be done automatically by bots. To have users manually do it creates a barrier. Ideally either a bot should create posts for every show of the season as soon as an episode is broadcasted in case someone wants to talk about it, or there should be a way to request a bot to create episode discussion posts, to avoid duplicates and/or wrongly formatted posts.

[–] wjs018@ani.social 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Thanks, this is great feedback. I completely appreciate the issues you raise about timeliness and the barrier to creating posts.

As I have been getting more feedback, both in this thread and in PMs, I have been really torn on the issue of separating threads to a separate community. I think that the two solutions I am kicking around right now are to either:

  1. Separate discussions back to a separate community and be either bot or user created. Not sure yet the details here, but it would let people that don't want to see discussion threads to stay subbed to this community without clogging up their feed with seasonal threads.
  2. Keep discussions in this community, but only allow discussion threads to be posted by a single bot account. This lets users just block that user or all bots and they don't see the threads. Meanwhile, people that are interested in the discussion threads will see them.

A key part of this is that I have an upgraded version of shinobu that I have been working on and is pretty much ready to implement (it's been working well on a test instance I host). I am planning on letting this season run as-is, but plan to put the upgraded bot into use by next season in some form. Some key features I have tried to improve on over the current shinobu:

  • It uses the AniList api to know exactly when a show airs. So, it will be much more reliable and prompt when it comes to timing of discussion thread posts (no more shows that just can't be found or are found days/weeks later randomly).
  • It can keep track of the engagement with previous episodes. So, if a show isn't generating user engagement (upvotes/comments), it can stop posting threads for the show. I need to think of a process by which a show can be re-enabled, but this should help dramatically cut down the number of threads that languish with 0 comments.
  • (Not fully implemented yet) A summary post that can be pinned to the community that has all the most recent discussion threads that have been made. This lets users go to one post and scan the list of shows and pick out the one they are looking for.

Another idea I had recently after this round of feedback was having a bot that parses any newly user-created threads to match it to a show/episode # to create a comment in that thread with the show information and past discussion links. That takes the burden off the post creator to keep track of all that. They would just need to follow some simple post title/body formatting so that the bot can parse it. It would basically be that the post title needs to have Episode # and then the AniList link to the show would need to be in the post body. That's it. The bot would make a comment that has all the past comment threads for the show as well as things like relevant links, alternative names, etc.

[–] 1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

How about this idea for the bot:

  1. x weeks before a new season, post a list of shows and have people vote on shows they'll watch.
  2. every show that gets >1 vote will have discussion thread created by the bot weekly.
  3. bot will stop creating threads for shows that have no engagement for y consecutive weeks.
  4. have some way to restart shows after they are suspended (e.g. have user PM the bot with some command)
  5. when shows are started mid-season or restarted, the first thread created will be discussion for all previously omitted episodes, like this:

For shows voted on:

  • First 4 weeks, bot creates discussion threads for ep.1, 2, 3, 4
  • bot stop due to no engagement
  • somebody requests restart when ep 7 aired
  • bot creates one discussion thread for ep. 5-7
  • next week, bot creates discussion thread for ep. 8

For shows with no vote initially:

  • First 3 weeks, no discussion thread
  • somebody requests show when ep 4 aired
  • bot creates one discussion thread for ep 1-4
  • next week, bot creates discussion thread for ep. 5

This is so we don't have several low-traffic threads (in the first example ep 5, 6, 7 threads when only 1 person requested, probably to talk about ep 7) created at the same time, but still have a place to discuss every episode when people pick up a show mid-season.

[–] 1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 months ago

Hmm, putting it very narrowly, I'm happy if I come here and there is a discussion thread for the episode I want to talk about ready.

Going from there, my thinking is, if we want to grow the community, having a discussion thread ready for every episode for every show of the season, will be able to accommodate every potential new person like "me".

However, a season can have 40 shows or more, that means 40+ posts per week, and for the current community size perhaps 1/3 to 1/2 of them will have no engagement an clutter up this community.

I think the clutter wouldn't bother me but I can see it might make the community look less attractive.

I said I prefer a separate episode discussions community because I thought it is one solution to the clutter, but on second thoughts I don't feel too strongly about this.

Another solution you seem to be considering is simply not have a discussion thread if nobody wants it, which would be effective in reducing clutter, but as you know the hard part is how do you tell.

No matter what you decide, just want you to know your work is appreciated.