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[–] LotrOrc@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't think it's that simple, especially for people of colour, and especially for those with Arab and especially Palestinian heritage.

America hasn't been great to us ever. Since 2001 it has gotten distinctly worse for us.

A lot of us have family who are being or have been bombed by the US indiscriminately. The US and Joe Biden is funding a genocide. That's not made up. That's not a joke. The US is more upset that the Houthis raised global shipping by a couple percent than they are that the ally that they give the most money to has killed north of 25000 defenseless people in three months.

I agree that voting for trump is going to make it worse for everyone, which is why I will still vote for Biden. But I voted begrudgingly for him last time, because I knew he was fake, and not really liberal. He hasn't stood by a single campaign promise he made. If a legitimate, liberal, left wing third party came up, I would vote for them immediately. Choosing between one racist piece of shit and a more racist, more orange piece of shit is not a great choice.

Again, I agree that trump would be a million times worse for brown and black people. But I get why a lot of Arab Americans and black Americans are fucking tired of it, and want to make a point to the DNC. That same party that is not a left wing party or a liberal party, that is completely bought out by corporations (ex. See how they fucked Bernie in 2016), and that will turn around and blame brown and black voters for not delivering them the white house when literally over half.of white women and white men want Donald Trump.

A lot of the people I've spoken to now are done. This was never really our country and politicians have made it even more obvious that it isn't. So the idea that a lot of people have now is "well fuck it, why should we vote to save this country when the people who run this country keep.fucking it up and especially fucking us over. It's time for whitey to do his/her part if they actually care, and if they don't fuck it, we will leave"

It's not about growing up, it's about being tired of being second or third class citizens. The only reason this is getting such a big shout-out now is because the policies are finally starting to affect white people, white women in particular. And yet somehow.still over half of them want trump in.

[–] FoxBJK@midwest.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He hasn’t stood by a single campaign promise he made

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/24/despite-supreme-court-ruling-biden-has-forgiven-student-debt-for-millions.html

Honestly, if you think he hasn't fulfilled any of his promises it's because you don't want to acknowledge his attempts and those who are standing in the way.

[–] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The ones saying that never do. They try to act like a promise means that whatever politician can make whatever thing happen all by themselves and if they can't then it's a lie.

[–] FoxBJK@midwest.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

These people would've been so deeply disappointed in a Bernie Sanders presidency. They can dream whatever they want but the GOP would've absolutely melted down and said "we'll shut the whole government down before we let this socialist do anything he campaigned on"

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think you're partially right, but Sanders would've used the bully pulpit to constantly castigate GOPers standing in his way (remember this is before MAGAts got elected). I think Bernie is far more effective on messaging than most other dems simply bc he doesn't give af about calling people out.

[–] FoxBJK@midwest.social 2 points 9 months ago

Obama used the bully pulpit for that, too. I don't feel like it moved the needle very much.