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If you're from a non English speaking country, do you first have to learn English if you want to get into programming?

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[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

No. The Soviets had one that was basically C but a decade early called АдрСс (address). The higher-ups were skeptical of the concept of computers, though, so computing in the USSR languished anyway.

I think the Chinese have something going too. Mostly educated global people know some English anyway, though.

[–] Tum@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

there's some really great mini documentaries on YouTube above the Soviet internet of the 1960s, which would have taken over as the central planning committee and managed the supply and demand automatically. When you look at what it was supposed to be, and why it failed (a lot of people worked very hard to make sure it wouldn't succeed) it's really interesting stuff.

here's one I watched recently enough about it; [https://youtu.be/cLOD5f-q0as?si=D8mVJiK603HPdgKY](Asianometry - Why the Soviet Internet Failed)

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The higher-ups were skeptical of the concept of computers

It's arguably dumber than that. The higher-ups treated R&D like any other centrally-planned ordeal, which meant a bunch of incredibly smart people in different countries were at each others' throats for the privilege of trying to build a thing... rather than just building multiple things and picking the ones that worked.

When it was a 5-ton, room-filling affair - called the Small Electronic Calculating Machine, because all programmers are the exact same kind of dork - building exactly one kinda made sense. When the west had three competing 6502 minicomputers for like a hundred bucks each, it was just tight-fisted control for the sake of political grandstanding. The fuckin' BBC rolled out a better centralized computing standard.

The root problem is having "a bicycle for the mind" in a country that restricts travel.

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 4 points 9 months ago

Mostly true, but Stalin also came right out with an essay that called it a fake capitalist concept, so that was part of it. I imagine Truman wouldn't have gotten it either, but as you say in the US you don't need everyone to agree something is a good idea to try it out.

The root problem is having β€œa bicycle for the mind” in a country that restricts travel.

This is the one I'm less sure about. They had censors but reading and learning approved content was also very encouraged, and in the early days it was a machine mostly just for number crunching. AFAIK computing languished roughly the same way as most basic research did, and Kateryna Yushchenko managed to invent something early anyway.