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Just because Republicans choose unreality doesn’t mean the media should ignore the facts of January 6.

On January 6, 2021, I watched CNN as thousands of Donald Trump supporters stormed the US Capitol. As someone well-versed in watching tragedy on television, I was struck by just how indisputable the facts were at the time: violent, red-hat-clad MAGA rioters, followed by Republicans in Congress, tried to stop democracy in its tracks. Trump had told his followers that the protest in Washington, DC, “will be wild,” and in the assault that followed his speech, some rioters smeared feces on the walls of the Capitol. Hundreds of them have since been convicted on charges ranging from assault on federal officers to seditious conspiracy. These are stubborn facts, the kind that do not care about your feelings. These facts include the inalienable truth that Trump is the first president in American history to reject the peaceful transfer of power.

It never occurred to me that these facts could somehow be perverted by partisanship. But three years later, we are seeing just that, as Republicans cling to the lie that the 2020 election was “stolen” by Joe Biden and are poised to make Trump their 2024 nominee. And perhaps even more dangerous than the GOP ditching reality is the news media’s inability to cover Trumpism as the threat to democracy that it very much is.

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But the problem is, when all you have is conventional political framing, everything looks like politics as usual. One candidate makes a claim; the other disputes it. Two sides are divided, etc. This framing only works if both parties operate within the frameworks of a shared reality. But Trumpism doesn’t allow for the reality the rest of us inhabit. Trump’s supporters believe their leader’s reality and not, say, the reality the rest of us see with our eyes. As Trump once told a crowd: “Don’t believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening.”

Journalists may be well-intentioned in trying to be “objective,” or they’re simply afraid of being labeled partisan. Either way, coverage of January 6 that gives equal weight to both sides—one based in reality, one not—is helping pave the road for authoritarianism.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Uh, what we are talking about is people who are already saying they won't vote for Biden. I run into this a lot. It's terrifying to know a significant part of the electorate are so myopic they would install Trump forever to "make a point".

It truly doesn't matter if they have a point, if the only end result is not voting or throwing their vote away on a third party. If Trump wins, they will be a big part of how.

[–] TheAlbacor@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"voting is the only way to create change" is the mentality that got us here.

You know why George Floyd's murderer was the only one who got the sentence he deserved? Because the people demanded it by threatening capital.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)
[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 3 points 10 months ago

You know exactly what he's suggesting and he's probably right to do so.

Stop playing stupid and stop trying to shut down people who say such things. It's not gonna work, you're not gonna convince anyone to not fight for what they believe in, hit the road if you don't like it.

[–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

These guys all want violent revolution, right up until it's their time to pick up a rifle.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think what the morons want is trump. I'm really worried about how common this braindead opinion is. They're actually going to vote against Biden because of Israel. We're fucked.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you're that worried that reaction to our government enabling a genocide is risking the election or whatever, maybe blame the people doing the enabling rather than the people disgusted by them.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Found one of them

Everyone knows your only feeling can be whatever a stranger makes up

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can't want us to stop supporting Israel because I'm required to be a myopic idiot unaware of what will happen if I don't vote for Biden. That's just facts.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm saying that a lot of people are disgusted by what the American response has been and the natural reaction is going to be disengaging. Why are you blaming them instead of the actual parties responsible?

That's not being pragmatic or whatever you think you are, it's just being lazy and unprincipled.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What outcome do you think will occur if people don't vote or vote third party or for trump?

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's probably going to fucking suck either way. I blame the party for its shitty actions, not the voters for not voting for them.

I would suggest trying to understand why people are so upset by the administrations complete non-response to what should be an easy lift- a fucking ceasefire. It's our bombs and missiles being used to do this, and we're sending them there as fast as we can. The administration could stop that at any time but chooses not to.

I get that it's frustrating that there's this obvious and unsalvageable debacle looming and it's only January in an election year, but find someone else to blame.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

As long as you vote for Biden, we are friends and I've no issue with what you wrote. Sounds like you won't though, which is insane and will make the thing you claim to care about vastly worse.

You're basically saying "hey don't blame me for putting in motion a horrible thing, blame the guy who you can never talk to and who doesn't represent you and is objectively better than the path I plan to put us on". Are you a russian troll or what? I cannot wrap my head around this level of myopia.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I already can't piss in any public bathroom in my home state. I get that things could get worse but they already seem extremely bad and I've already been a mixture of concerned and enraged by the lack of action so far.

Why is the support of Israel a foregone conclusion regardless what horrors they inflict? Is this all about not wanting to lose the quasi-fascist 'anti-trump' ex-republicans that you think were why Biden won?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You are trans, and you're here telling me without directly admitting it, that you're going to vote against democrats!? Why don't you hack your left foot off with a chainsaw? It would be quicker.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm just pointing out why people are probably just going to not bother voting. I'll probably be there and write in myself because at least I know how to hold myself accountable.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

When Trump wins and you're put into a camp, at least you'll know your myopic principles weren't compromised

The real reason why people will let trump win is that they are mentally and physically lazy or want to feel superior without considering consequences

[–] TheAlbacor@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

That people need to start by stopping this "only voting matters" narrative that so many push. I know people try to counter that by saying that people are overworked and don't have time for protests or any other direct action, but the Labor Movement was done by people working 70ish hour weeks.

More people need to be willing to protest. Until they are, things aren't going to meaningfully get better.

Right now, the message I get from a lot of these conversations here is that the President is allowed to have a little genocide as a treat because otherwise there could be more genocide. It's completely insane.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Right now, the message I get from a lot of these conversations here is that the President is allowed to have a little genocide as a treat because otherwise there could be more genocide. It's completely insane.

No you don't

[–] TheAlbacor@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Anyone insisting that the only way to move forward is to vote for someone who is promoting genocide is effectively saying that, yes.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We’re saying the only way to avoid a trump wanna be dictatorship, and even longer term fucking of the US, which is allowing Biden to lose.

We need a general strike and to eat the rich if that doesn’t work, but we also need a president that won’t call out the troops (real ones or bullshit fanbois) when we protest.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We’re saying the only way to avoid a trump wanna be dictatorship, and even longer term fucking of the US, which is allowing Biden to lose.

Biden could stop supporting genocide if he doesn't want to lose votes of people for whom genocide is a dealbreaker.

I'm voting for biden, but I expect you will ignore this sentence.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I’m still hoping Biden has the balls to tell Netanyahu to fuck off.

However, I assume the calculation between voters who’ll drop him after conflating support for Israel with support for the Jewish people are greater than, or at least the same as, voters who are dropping him now for allowing this Palestinian genocide.

It’s a lose-lose choice the Dems, which is exactly why it seems likely that Russia convinced Iran to back Hamas’ attack in the first place (Israel’s Apartheid is still the reason terrorists felt they had no other option). It might be a crazy conspiracy, but that’s where we ended up, however it started.

I’m with you though that it sucks that our only rational choice is to vote for not-a-wannabe-dictator, when thousands of people’s lives are currently at stake.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

However, I assume the calculation between voters who’ll drop him after conflating support for Israel with support for the Jewish people are greater than, or at least the same as, voters who are dropping him now for allowing this Palestinian genocide.

I do not make charitable assumptions about people who support genocide.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What’s charitable about pointing out how they’re likely ignoring lives based on polling?

Your sounding like more and more of a shill as you go on.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If someone supports genocide, you may want to try to imagine some plausible excuse to make that ok.

But genocide is inexcusable, and there is no reason to bend over backwards to give its supporters the benefit of the doubt.

You're apologizing for genocide supporters and lobbing accusations at people who oppose genocide.

I have never advocated for withholding votes, nor have I ever advocated for voting for anyone but Biden since he won the nomination in 2020. My consistent position has been that Biden should not be supporting genocide.

There is no good or compelling reason to support genocide.

[–] jasondj@ttrpg.network 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t say it’s completely insane.

It’s a modification of the trolley problem. The “do nothing” path goes downhill and has a hell of a lot more bodies. The switched path still has bodies but at least it’s uphill and you’ll have a chance to slow it down or stop it.

[–] TheAlbacor@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Who said to do nothing? I'm saying this path is also terrible.

We as a people, and specifically the commenters who insist these are the only options, are consciously choosing between the two paths that lead to genocide. We are specifically saying we are too comfortable and indifferent to demand the changes to prevent it.

That's insane.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It’s terrifying to know a significant part of the electorate are so myopic they would install Trump forever to “make a point”.

People don't like being manipulated to vote a certain way, they get angry when that is done to them. They realize that other citizens had died for their right to vote, and they hold it sacred.

And when you're angry, you tend to make dumb mistakes.

How many of us know the stance of the people they're going to vote for, when it comes to ranked choice voting?

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As long as we are drawing the line in the sand as "reality" the truth is much more stark. We already live in a nation controlled by oligarchs and the vote has already been robbed of what little power it ever had. In a sense accelerationism isn't so much accelerating the decline of US democracy but accelerating its suspended funeral.

[–] Tristaniopsis@aussie.zone 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s not just ‘throwing the baby away with the bath water ‘, it’s burning down the whole fucking country just because mommy didn’t give you candy.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Where "mommy didn't give you candy" in this case is "the guy you're being screamed at to vote for is supporting genocide."

Just because you don't think genocide is a big deal, that doesn't mean you don't need the votes of those that do.

I'm voting for Biden, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize that some people won't, and that his support for genocide is the reason.