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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)

When the world mentions the word 'Democracy' ... everyone thinks of 'Democracy'

When the US mentions the word 'Democracy' .... it means invasion, war, bombs and death

In America, the word 'democracy' has lost all meaning

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Democracy in America actually does have consistent meaning. It’s just that it isn’t what people think it is. When america says ‘democracy’ what they mean is liberalisation of trade and markets for American capital interests. Often with disastrous effects for the local population and their economy. The word freedom also has a similar meaning. The word freedoms is more accurately considered a contraction of the phrase ‘freedom for american capital flows’.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Looking at the Official Report On the Iraq War published in the UK some years ago, American "bringing of democracy" there was quite literally the war crime of Pillage.

Basically the local administration installed by the Cohalition in Iraq was forced to give almost all oil exploitation contracts to British and American companies, mainly the latter.

Who knows just how rigged the voting system is over there to produce an image of "Democracy" whilst making sure real power always goes to those who favour American interests or are easy to corrupt to do so.

[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ah, takes me back to the good ol days after 9/11.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes it became prominent after 9/11 ... but that kind of behaviour has been going on for a century and more distinctively after the Second World War

Look up the history of Allen/Foster Dulles and their work for American Corp in the 20s and 30s ... their enthusiasm for war in the 40s ... and then with the CIA in the 50s and 60s ... the actions of which led to what happened in the 70s and 80s ... which later on affected what happened in the 90s and 2000s. It makes you understand that even if the US people don't want a war ... those in positions of power and wealth enjoy war and conflict because it makes them money and spreads their power. We accuse other nations of doing the same but America does it while draped in a democracy flag and an ugly tattoo across their forehead that says 'freedom'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

their enthusiasm for war in the 40s

I mean... nazis.

Perhaps you have a typo in your years there?

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

No I think OP refers to the Early Career section of the wiki. There was legitimate debate around whether the U.S. should join WWII.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The Dulles brothers did legitimately help the Allied effort during the Second World War .... but leading up to and during the actual war years, they were also known to play favourites, court unscrupulous characters, take part in shady deals and help one side or the other depending on what business was involved. Then when the war was over, it was far easier and more acceptable to be a fascist or even a Nazi than a communist. Look at the history and background to a lot of German and Nazi professionals, academics, scientists and military leaders after the war .. many of them were courted by US intelligence to work for the US while disregarding their past offences.

Allen Dulles probably single handedly sabotaged any kind of neutral or positive relationship with the Communists ... this isn't meant to say that the Communists were a positive political movement ... Allen Dulles was instrumental in making a bad situation worse for probably 20 years. Even JFK wanted to build a relationship with the Soviets but people like Dulles just wanted fear, anger and war without negotiation or compromise.

When you start reading the history of the Dulles brothers ... it gets hard to differentiate them from the fascists they supposedly fought in the Second World War ... they were more like the Nazis without the overt Aryanism

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Got it. Hopefully you get my confusion.

[–] Kase@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Besides, didn't the US stay out of the war until basically the last minute? I feel like I'm missing something.

[–] s_s@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Gotta love "The Democratic Republic of Korea"

You can't trust the tankies with the word, either.