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Yes it became prominent after 9/11 ... but that kind of behaviour has been going on for a century and more distinctively after the Second World War
Look up the history of Allen/Foster Dulles and their work for American Corp in the 20s and 30s ... their enthusiasm for war in the 40s ... and then with the CIA in the 50s and 60s ... the actions of which led to what happened in the 70s and 80s ... which later on affected what happened in the 90s and 2000s. It makes you understand that even if the US people don't want a war ... those in positions of power and wealth enjoy war and conflict because it makes them money and spreads their power. We accuse other nations of doing the same but America does it while draped in a democracy flag and an ugly tattoo across their forehead that says 'freedom'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles
I mean... nazis.
Perhaps you have a typo in your years there?
The Dulles brothers did legitimately help the Allied effort during the Second World War .... but leading up to and during the actual war years, they were also known to play favourites, court unscrupulous characters, take part in shady deals and help one side or the other depending on what business was involved. Then when the war was over, it was far easier and more acceptable to be a fascist or even a Nazi than a communist. Look at the history and background to a lot of German and Nazi professionals, academics, scientists and military leaders after the war .. many of them were courted by US intelligence to work for the US while disregarding their past offences.
Allen Dulles probably single handedly sabotaged any kind of neutral or positive relationship with the Communists ... this isn't meant to say that the Communists were a positive political movement ... Allen Dulles was instrumental in making a bad situation worse for probably 20 years. Even JFK wanted to build a relationship with the Soviets but people like Dulles just wanted fear, anger and war without negotiation or compromise.
When you start reading the history of the Dulles brothers ... it gets hard to differentiate them from the fascists they supposedly fought in the Second World War ... they were more like the Nazis without the overt Aryanism
Got it. Hopefully you get my confusion.
No I think OP refers to the Early Career section of the wiki. There was legitimate debate around whether the U.S. should join WWII.
Besides, didn't the US stay out of the war until basically the last minute? I feel like I'm missing something.