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https://www.vox.com/22675358/us-car-deaths-year-traffic-covid-pandemic
From here:
"According to several traffic experts I spoke with, the explanation for the 2020 fatality spike is relatively straightforward: With fewer cars on the road during quarantine, traffic congestion was all but eliminated, which emboldened people to drive at lethal speeds."
"And speed is the decisive factor in a car crash’s severity. Everything else — drunk driving, distracted driving, bad weather — makes crashes more likely to happen, but speed is the difference between life and death"
"Controlling speeds on roads is the most important goal of any car safety strategy."
Do you understand? Not all crashes are the same. Slow speed crashes are not the main issue. You need to look at different statistics (and understand them). No, I'm not moving the goal post. Saving lives is the main goal, that's why I'm talking about speeding and not using the turn signals correctly. Speeding kills. If you disagree with this basic fact we really don't have anything to continue talking about.
Also: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/11/bmw-subaru-and-porsche-drivers-more-likely-to-cause-a-crash-study-finds
So maybe Porsche's are not that safe after all? And yes, you can speed in any car. I don't really care if you own Porsche as long as you drive below the speed limit same as I think you're an asshole for driving your Toyota Yaris recklessly. What I have issue with are all the wannabe race drivers practising on public roads. Personally I blame the stupid car culture promoted in TV shows and car magazines but there could be other reasons for it.
Whoaaaa holy cherrypick! You're seriously using crash stats from when we were in lockdown and presenting it as normal conditions?!
Ummm yes you do... you said they should be banned for being too fun.
Of the 20 most crashed per 100,000 cars in the UK, Porsche isn't even in the top 20, but they do have 5 cars in the bottom 20.
So your objections are no longer about safety, if it was you'd have changed your mind after finding out some of the facts. This is about something else. You just fundamentally hate people having enjoyment with their cars? Is that it?
The (not peer reviewed) study only seems to compare Porsche and BMW to Hyundai and Skoda, which is another red flag. Why single out those brands in particular? Nobody ever said Skoda or Hyundai were unsafe. What of the dozens of other car manufacturers, are they to be ignored because they don't fit your narrative?
The study itself doesn't even talk about safety or crashes, just things like the likelihood of speeding, which could be correlated with safety, but it's not the same thing - someone going 75mph on a motorway instead of 70mph, for example, isn't being horrendously unsafe, even if, strictly speaking, they are breaking the law.
No, it's not from the pandemic. Read it again. Do you think speeding kills people only during pandemics? Before the pandemic crashing at high speed was safe? WTF?
I also said I think cars should speed limiters installed. Read my comment again also. If a Porsche has a limited horse power and limited max speed it's fine. Do you think with limited it's not fun any more? Then we agree, ban fun cards.
It literally is from the pandemic. And no, I'm not saying that prior to the pandemic Newton's 2nd law of motion didn't apply, and you know I wasn't. Stop being purposely obtuse.
I said quoting driving stats during a time of unprecedented and unusual driving conditions should not be touted as being reflective of all time.
You said fun cars should be banned. You clearly do have an issue with them.
Dude, everything I quoted were generic facts about speeding and accidents. Why do you think that because the article was written during the pandemic those things only apply during pandemic? Do you really have such serious reading comprehension issues?
They were explicitly talking about how people drove and had incidents during the lockdown period. Read what you posted.
The hilarity in saying I'm the one with reading comprehension issues.
Apologies for my late reply, I was busy driving my sports car on public roads, having a blast.
This only applies during the pandemic? What about the part about "any car safety strategy"? Sorry but if you have problems understanding a short, simple sentence then we don't have anything to talk about.
Nice try. But we both know what your comment said
Not exactly representative of normal driving, is it? We aren't in lockdown, and traffic exists.
Must make you absolutely seethe that sports cars crash the least.
It honestly is hilarious. You're crying behind your phone screen at this imaginary danger. People enjoying driving, oh no 😥😥
What a wet wipe lmao
You know what a spike is? Apparently not.
You're getting warmer, good boy
The fact there was a spike means there was a significant increase during lockdown.
So in other words, not representative of non-lockdown driving. But you know this, that's why you specifically chose that article.
I've already demonstrated that the safest cars on the road are almost all sports cars. Keep crying about it.
I think you're just jealous that you don't have one.
You're pretending, right? I mean you can't be this stupid... Or maybe?
"Increase" means that the problem existed before the lockdown and still exists after lockdown. If you really think people were speeding only during pandemic and deadly car accidents are 'imaginary danger' your and idiot. Keep enjoying your tuned up BMW. It just further confirms my theory that fast cars are for stupid people.
WOOOOOOOOOW you are so smart!!!! Speeding wasn't invented in 2020??!?!!!!
Never said that. Stop being stupid.
You deliberately quoted lockdown driving conditions and presented them as normal, which they aren't.
Bye bye dipshit. I've got some driving to do in my actually fun to drive car. You can just whimper in the corner like the sad little loser you are. Maybe when you pluck up the courage to you can drive your deathtrap Prius.
Sports cars are the safest cars on the road, and it makes you fucking weep 😂