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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

(Numbers added by me for easier back references)

Examples of epilogenics

1) Selecting an embryo for lower disease risk, higher intelligence, or some other trait good for both the individual and society
2) Gene editing for the purposes listed above
3) Choosing an attractive spouse

Examples of things that are not epilogenics

4) State-sponsored sterilization of people deemed “unfit”
5) Rules against marriage of family members such a siblings and cousins
6) Things people think of as eugenics even though they are often bad for genes (i.e. genocide)
  • 1 with the qualification of “good for… society” is just 4) with extra steps. 2) is just 1).
  • For 3), unless everyone you are dating never wears makeup/grooms themselves in any way, you probably aren’t looking at much genetic influence. You are probably instead just selecting for socioeconomic bracket, which is totally not what any of this is about, right?
  • For 5), is the implication is that the OP thinks anti-incest laws are eugenics and therefore bad and therefore should be abolished???
  • 6 Aella definitely googled “things that are bad for genes” with voice to text, got back “regular washing” and took that to heart

Other:

  • I didn’t know the “eu” in “eugenics” came from greek.
  • Now I’m thinking about that whole “eudaimonia” thing from a while back. Every time it pops up in my head I think “Eudaimon now dog!” I wonder how YTMND is doing these days.
[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I didn’t know the “eu” in “eugenics” came from greek.

Further fun facts: Eugene (the name) is greek for noble born, but since like most people we did away with nobles a long time ago now eugenic just means to have good manners, so when the modern term 'eugenics' came to Greece it was regreekified into eugonics (ευγονική).

[–] GorillasAreForEating@awful.systems 7 points 11 months ago

Naming the Jude Law's character in Gattaca "Eugene" was not very subtle.

[–] dashdsrdash@awful.systems 7 points 11 months ago

It's not that verbing nouns weirds language so much as the regreekification.

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

5, is the implication is that the OP thinks anti-incest laws are eugenics and therefore bad and therefore should be abolished???

I think they're saying that actually everyone loves Eugenics they just don't know it yet.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 8 points 11 months ago

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[–] GorillasAreForEating@awful.systems 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What's "that whole eudaimonia thing from a while back"? (I'm familiar with the concept of eudaimonia in general, but I'm not sure what you're referring to)

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I was making a vague reference to that because I only had a vague recollection of a sneerclub discussion involving “eudaimonia”. Looked it up, I don’t think there was some major thing that happened. Rats use the word “eudaimonia” a lot, that seems to be pretty much it.

It might have been related to this:

https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/wtNCs2TgtDpu3W7Ke/charities-i-would-like-to-see

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 5 points 11 months ago

Probably unrelated to the Eudaemons, the UC Santa Cruz grad students in the '70s who built hidden wearable computers to beat roulette.