Every sane person just reading the news of what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank can make their own conclusions. If you really value human life no matter the religion, ethnicity or skin colour you can see a clear pattern.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Really? What we have in the news these days is published by the conflict parties, independent verification is almost never possible.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't need the exact numbers to know how bad the situation is. I have a couple of questions for you:

Do you agree that the civilian casualties on the Palestinian side far exceed those on the Israeli part?
Do you agree that a large chunk of the population in Gaza is displaced and currently living in makeshift tents?
Do you agree that there is an ongoing humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza?
Do you agree that there is increased violence and imposed restrictions in the West bank by the IDF, and that far right settlers are persecuting Palestinians and killing them.
Weren't there members of the Israeli parliament calling for nuking Gaza, to do the same in the West Bank, etc?
What about illegal settlements, land grab, numerous human rights violations, etc.

I also want Hamas gone, but don't think this is the way.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, there is all that. As I said, I think Netanyahu and his bunch belong in jail, not in power.

But even if this guy is out of the way, here's a few more questions to consider:

Do you agree that after Oct 7th, Israels strategy of building a wall and an "iron dome" must be considered totally failed?
Do you agree that the Hamas can not be talked with?
Do you agree that in addition to the Hamas, Israel is surrounded by militant groups that want to erase the state from the map?
Do you agree that in the past no palestinean negotiator honestly considered a 2-state-solution?

What are, positively speaking, Israels options? What should a moderate follower of Netanyahu do to achieve some sort of piece? I'm lost here. Do you have any ideas other than saying "not this way"?

[–] filister@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

By being involved in a constructive dialogue, ready to make concessions, outlining a plan to withdraw some Israeli settlements in the West bank, giving more autonomy to Palestine, active persecution of settlers, who are violently attacking Palestinians in the West bank. No double standards in their treatment. In exchange for peaceful disarmament of Palestinians and power transition to PA, but also disarmament of settlers. Removal of some of the checkpoints, outlining a plan of removal of more checkpoints if certain criteria are met. Reconstruction of Gaza.

And tell me how restricting water and food in Gaza helps IDF, I can to certain point understand the fuel ban and to a lesser extent the electricity ban, but food and water are essential for every human being and limiting them is a human rights violation.

Unfortunately at this point there is a lot of bad blood on both sides and this is definitely not a good start.