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You can't 3D print laying all the pipe and the electric cabling and adding fixtures and insulation and all sorts of other things homes need.
You can 3D print the basic structure. That's it. You're saving on bricklaying or carpentry.
And the second that it is economically viable the companies will be dumping their bricklayers/carpenters down the drain and replacing them with computer controlled construction methods.
When will it be economically viable to dump all the people who have to set up the equipment and all of the people who have to do everything but make the basic structure? Is this 'house set up and entirely built by robots down to the light fixtures with no human intervention' a near future proposition?
When was it economically viable to replace hand-sewn lumber with lumber mills?
Then they went and made portable electric saws. What a world!
And then electric drills! And laser levels!
Remember paper ledgers and abacuses? Ever hear of Microsoft Excel?
We keep making tools that always increase productivity and reduce time and cost. It’s Constant incremental progress, and on a large scale it’s great because it frees up (human) resources to focus on new industry and technology, which furthers the CIP. On the micro scale, there may be a small number of temporarily displaced workers as jobs shuffle around and workers re-skill.
But at this particular intersection of technology, we are at a pretty bad spot. We are on the verge of massive progress in multiple industries, and wealth has concentrated in the elite classes. “Temporarily displaced workers” won’t have the capital to re-skill or invest their own resources into new industry. This is bad.
When they did it. Because they could process a huge amount more lumber. I'm not sure I understand.
what they are saying is that in the past, technological leaps meant increases in productivity and generally freed the displaced workers into new careers, but this time the sheer scale of change that is imminent doesn't leave time for that. it's going to be bad
Damn, you really are stuck in the past, aren't ya
I'm stuck in the past because that's not an economically viable thing to do within the foreseeable future?
Would I be stuck in the past because I said I don't think people are going to be commuting by personal jetpack any time soon?
Yup
Sorry... you honestly think people will commute by personal jetpack one day?
Why can't they?
Because it's a stupid fucking idea.
Are you under the bizarre impression that every prediction about the future will come true at some point?
Are you under the bizzar impression that the world is going to stay the same as it is now?
That's not an answer.
Literally anything I put is an answer to you
Nope. I asked you if literally any prediction about the future will come true. Please answer the question.
March 18, 2028
Happy?
Nope. That still doesn't answer my question. Yet again: Will literally every prediction about the future come true?
Will infinite monkeys eventually write all of Shakespeare?
Very suspicious that you refuse to answer a yes or no question. I'm starting to think I should report you for trolling.
Report me all you want dummy. I literally answered "yup" long ago and you're still digging like you're going to accomplish something.
Ah, I guess I missed your answer. If every prediction about the future is true, it includes all the predictions that humanity will be wiped out relatively soon, meaning that house building will never be fully automated and no one will commute by personal jetpack. But also all housing will be automated and people will commute by personal jetpack.
At the same time.
I can't wait to see how you resolve civilization simultaneously collapsing and advancing.
Now you're getting it
No, I'm really not getting it. I don't get how two completely opposite things can simultaneously happen. That sounds literally impossible to me.
Schrodinger would like a word with you
You really shouldn't talk about things you don't understand. First of all, that wouldn't literally happen to a cat. Secondly, that's not what a quantum superposition is.
I was a porr attempt at a joke. You're allowed to laugh a little dude. I don't know what will happen in the future. Nobody does. I choose to belive in a world heading towards Star Trek over Mad Max. We have bad 'jetpacks' now. Why is it so hard to think they'll upgrade to the point where they will be more accessible in the future. A la what happened the buggies and cars. They would be self driving I presume to.keep everyone more safe cause trusting the average person to fly is a bit much, but idk maybe.
We may also start ww3 at any point. Still don't know the future. I guess for my own sanity I try not to think that way. But like, if you really want to get into thus we have to bring up a lot more subjects, mainly UBI. But, regardless, most jobs being automated, including construction, so everyone gets to be happier is a world I want to live in.
So now you've gone from 'house will definitely construction will definitely be entirely automated" to "I don't know what will happen."
Fascinating.
As far as jetpacks- people don't want to fall to their deaths if they run out of fuel or have engine trouble on the way to work in the morning. I would have thought that would have been obvious.
I 100% believe it will be, I was trying to relate to you asshole
You have a strange way of relating to people- arguing with them, refusing to answer their questions, making trolling comments, insulting... not to mention never asking the person you're trying to relate to any questions about themselves.
Is this how you claim to relate to others?
How's your day been?
Sorry, after you've insulted me, especially since you didn't apologize for it, I'm not particularly interested in telling you about my day. It's strange, but I'm just not inclined to have a friendly discussion with someone who just called me an asshole.
Ok
Yeah, like how blacksmiths can't find any work these days anymore. It's heartbreaking.
There are artisan blacksmiths that probably make bank doing custom jobs like blades and ironwork gates and other such artistry.
We have robots that work in warehouses moving stuff precisely all the time. Placing pipes should be no problem.
Yes, moving things in a warehouse is exactly the same as laying plumbing and AC ductwork. There's literally no difference in terms of complications.
You're right that robots aren't going to be able to replace plumbers or electricians in traditional building projects.
But why can't we change how new buildings are built so the method better suits robots. I'm sure with current technology we could design a building that could be built entirely by robots.
I don't think it'll happen because it will take a lot of time and money to develop such a holistic system, with no return on profit until it's a complete system.
Well at one point i lead bunch of those "workers" on real project and oh boy, in some cases, i would much rather have robots do it.
Yes cause technology never gets better than it's first iteration. There's literally no progress ever. One and done
How soon do you think it will be before technology reaches the point that we can build completely functional houses with just robots? Give me a timeframe.
Do you want tonights winning lotto numbers also? How about which team will win the super bowl this year?
Nobody can tell exact time frames. But the future is happenening old man
So robots will totally take over house building and humans will have nothing to do with it at some indefinite point in the future and that's why people right now should be worried about their jobs. I see.
Yes, we should be worried about it now.
It will happen and it will be much better if we can figure out how to handle the masses of unemployed before it is a problem.
This attitude of kicking the can down the road is exactly how things turn catastrophic.
I believe most jobs will be fully automated
When? Why should that make people worried about their jobs now?
In the future. And I literally never said people should be worrying about you, you're putting words in my mouth bro
That's what this thread is about.
All I said is that we could have the possibility soon to have robots that place pipes. You're making this into a bigger thing