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I like Windows, it's MS that I hate and the bullshit they add to Windows.
I hate to break it to you, but the stuff MS added to Windows comprises literally all of Windows.
Ehhh not really. On consumer devices yes, but when you start dealing with automated deployment and group policy and things like that, you can automate disabling telemetry services.
Now if youβre using something like azure or intune, you just have control of the spyware.
If you're on M365 you get the added hit of them renaming portals, moving or downright removing settings. God forbid ymthe setting you need is powershell only and not ocumented online, cause support doesn't even know their own products.
Yeahβ¦. The double edged sword of cloud infrastructure is that you have to rely on them not to fuck it up.
Less of an issue with AWS
'I hate dirt in my burrito.'
'There's lots of stuff in a burrito.'
This analogy doesn't work because you cannot cleanly separate things in a burrito, whereas you can in Windows to some extent.
My burritos never reboot by surprise to force updates that break decisions I mad about what's in them.
How often does this even happen? In the past 3 years I've not met a single person who's had a Windows update trigger randomly or had Windows make breaking changes.
If you expect me to prove Microsoft's still doing what they've been infamous for doing for twenty straight years, the answer is no. Even if they magically stopped fucking people over this way - this doesn't justify your dismissal of someone's complaints about those stupid problems Microsoft created. It still happened to them, and they hated it, and you had to pipe up and say 'well what about the parts where it didn't fuck you.'
I'm not dismissing whether they ever happened. I'm questioning whether they still happen. I'm not going to hold a grudge against someone who stole an eraser from me in the 1st grade. I'm similarly not going to hold a grudge with Microsoft for one or two forced updates back when Windows 10 launched. If you wanted to talk about the issues with Windows Modern Standby or with Xbox's treatment of the Minecraft community, then fine. Those issues still don't ruin the other 90% of Windows, especially when considering the alternatives.
Neat, did you read past the first sentence?
Did you read past my 2nd?
Yeah. And I answered them before you wrote them. You know damn well Microsoft constantly includes infuriating bullshit - whether or not it's the example I gave, dismissing your ridiculous hair-splitting. An example we have not established is even wrong. I just don't fucking care whether it's still a thing, because regardless, it's part of a pattern.
The root of this pointless bickering is that someone said there's parts of Windows they fucking despise, and you countered by saying Windows has many parts. Which is not a fucking counter.
I've always felt theres multiple sides to Microsoft. Theres devs making a damn good and simple product. Then comes the enterprise devs that over-engineer the product. Then theres the marketing coming in and try to buy up competition or bundle the product with other products to force it on people (MS way of advertising). And THEN the suits either ruin the product for money or shutting it down for not either making enough money or for not helping their enterprise products make money (like for example VSCode is a product that helps MS make money on Azure).
Windows 7 was a fantastic operating system.
Windows 7 was fourteen years ago.
Stockholm Syndrome...