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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

There isn't any reason to expect near-term human extinction due to climate change.

The continuation of warming is also a human decision. One we can change.

[–] SuiXi3D@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, it’s a corporate one. And corporations like money more than they do anything else.

[–] BloodForTheBloodGod@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

All we have to do is form mobs to break into oil executives homes and beat them to death.

Two easy steps.

[–] NotSpez@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

I get the necessity to spread a message of hope, I really do. If people start to see the cause as truly lost, the motivation to change any behavior will go down even more.

However, in these times, I find it harder and harder to keep a positive mindset about this. And I am sure I’m not the only one.

[–] Roundcat@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

how? Like lets say we need to get on the track of reversing the course of climate change right now, within the next 10 years at most. What is the most effective thing a nobody like me can do about it?

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How do you politically influence non-western-friendly regimes/countries? That's more than 2/3 of all the polution/emissions.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
  • You work to make renewable energy the cheap way to do things.
  • You impose a tariff on the embedded emissions in imported goods and services.
  • You appeal to the shared interest in a habitable planet
[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Good points, thanks

[–] toasteecup@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Not much that can be done there, but it's like a wildfire. Throwing more fire at it doesn't help any.

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Talk with people about it, to help build the political will for action

This seems hopeless. Most people are hard right-wing, think global warming is a hoax, and will instantly classify anyone who claims otherwise as a liar.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are some very loud people like that, but polling shows they're a minority.

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's news to me. Last I heard, polling showed Trump leading Biden by a significant margin.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

There are occasionally polls like that, but the popular vote is close. The way electoral votes are tallied, Biden needs to be more than +3 to win the election.

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People's opinion on individual issues and on candidates are pretty disconnected. For candidates, unfortunately, it feels like some people picking a sports team and rooting for them no matter what. There's also the bias they get from rooting for a team that they distrust those who don't root for the same team.

But generally most people do agree a lot more than it may seem. For example, if you ask questions about the individual policies for "Obamacare", Republicans are in favor of almost everything... Except they originally thought it needed a public option so it's not just handouts for corporations. Why do you think right wing media hammered on that issue for long and hard? They were trying to train their followers.

How to get beyond this blind team worship is beyond me. But I've noticed the same disconnect with my mom, whom repeats talking goings from the likes of Limbaugh (when he was alive), but her takes are pro-universal health care... She just frames in talking points from right wing pundits somehow. Granted, she's a bit alienated by the Republican party because of LGB issues (T left off intentionally... She tries not to be transphobic, but she's not great at it), so she generally won't vote for them. If it weren't for social wedge issues, she'd be voting for them. I think there's some room to work with people if they already trust you personally though.