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Okay, but other species aren't even able to pay to exist. If a human wants them dead, they dead —unless they the property of another human being of course.
You act as if paying to exist is a privilege. It is a requirement of being a human in our society. A requirement that functionally requires you to be exploited by those who won the birth lottery.
It is a privilege in contrast to other species, the exact juxtaposition done by the OP. It's like complaining that the free man has to pay for room and board while the slave doesn't. I've heard exact arguments like this from slavery apologists, that slaves had it really good actually.
How exactly are other species relevant to how we structure our society? It is true that humans are the top dog in the circle of life, but how is that relevant?
I said nothing about slavery, why are you changing the subject?
EDIT: I guess I missed the first sentence in the OP about species. I think caring about how other species do things is just a red herring to draw attention.
I think they’re trying to say if you were to take you and your family and delete all of society and drop you in alongside all the other natural species, you would find your life is probably going to be way more work than it is now even under the shit heads exploiting us. I’m not saying it’s ok at all, it’s fucked and I’m all for fixing that but the idea that nature is somehow easier or better has many flaws. It has some benifits but if it was so much better I don’t think we would have bothered to build societies and security like we have
Also, you could easily not have to pay to exist. You'd just be living a hard hard life out in the sticks or be taken care of in jail with the tradeoff of a lack of freedom.
People in prison are hardly taken care of. Read up on healthcare in prisons, for example.
Taken care of was not the right phrase, only in the sense that you'll keep existing for no money. Quality of life for a free existence is not going to be pretty any way you slice it.
Yeah. This is a terrible argument. Sounds great to ubi supporters.
All I'm reading from the OP is "gimme gimme gimme"
There are good arguments in favor of UBI but this is just whiny.
The argument is that a person can be willing and able to work, but because resources were distributed unevenly before we were all born, it's possible to be homeless and hungry. Or more likely, scraping by with a job while a small percentage of wealthy people take a cut of everything you do and you have to be careful not to displease them.
See, that's a good argument.
"All the land was claimed before we were born" is silly.
Well it certainly drove some discussion.
I think talking about land, some people think it's about buying a nice house or something, but really it's about being able to exist in any physical space. You're born and now you've got to be somewhere, you've got to sleep somewhere and work somewhere. If you're lucky your parents own something. If you're not you've got to pay. (Of course even owning you've got to pay tax but that's another conversation)
Everyone needs an income source and needs to pay for necessities.
Some people have income purely through inheritance and that is not fair. It's not just to do with land. "Trust fund babies" have been a thing since forever.
You're right, everyone needs to pay for necessities. Some people don't need an income source, because of inheritance.
Your original post is really shit and no one will take you seriously. Everyone has to contribute for society to exist. Even if land was free, we would love in a society. There is no living "alone". Everyone lives together and everyone contributes. Now, is it the reality currently? Maybe not, but your post does not even address that and it makes just some wild statement about we "have to pay to live and that's atrocious" while in reality, even in the goddamn wild you have to pay. Not with money but with labour which is what money is about.