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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 163 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The harder they push their pro-Israel agenda, the more anti-Israel everyone is going to get.

You can't bully us into supporting a genocidal regime.

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 week ago (5 children)

My fucking brain is so fried.

Both my parents were in World War II. They fought against fascism. I was brought up to feel for what happened to the Jews during that war. Now all I see is that they seem to be being worse than the actual Nazis.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Israel =/= the “Jews”.

Israel’s founders were actually very prejudiced against Jews that survived the holocaust. And much more against the ones that didn’t actually…

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Louder for the people in the back!

Zionists = religious nationalists / colonialists / fascists

Anti-zionists = anti-all-of-the-above

The Jewish ethnic/religious part is completely irrelevant. There are many thousands of non-jews who support Israel's genocide, as evidenced by this batshit draconian illegitimate law. The UK/USA likely created Israel solely to destabilize the region and have an ally in the middle of the oil they needed. Within the next decade they then overthrew Irans democratically elected socialist leader because he wanted to expel British Petroleum and nationalise production (like Norway has been doing for decades).

If you just hate jews you're some flavor of fascist or religious nationalist, so no better than zionists or any of the criminals who created this mess.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

What Israel is doing is very much Nazi like. But saying such will get you banned on Mastodon.social, and probably prosecuted in places like Germany.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah, nah.

The only people who win when you conflate Israel with all Jewish people are Zionists and Neo-Nazis.

[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do not conflate Jewish people with Israel

That is a very important distinction

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I guess I am ignorant in that respect. When I was taught back in the 60’s it was taught as the Jewish people and all dissidents, disabled and whoever else the nazi’s wanted out of the way.

[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I said what I did because in today's world the labeling matters between Jewish people and zionists. Not because of anything that happened in WWII, but rather because you can condemn what the people in Israel are doing in Palestine and it has nothing to do with their faith.

However, there are people who will call you anti semetic for doing that and it's just not true.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I was brought up to feel for what happened to the Jews during that war.

And neglected to mention that it wasn't just jews but anyone the nazis didn't like, such as gays, communists, other races, etc.

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

I did not intentionally not mention them. I was just talking about them because they were the specific topic of discussion. Of course there were others.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I have a feeling they can. If all discourse over social media is anti Palestine and no one can refute it, I give it 10 years max before it would just be a frothing hate for Palestinians with a significant amount of the population.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They are already trying to do this and failing miserably at it. Censorship itself is an admission of guilt and is something that people are really starting to understand. That's basically the point of my original comment: the harder they try to stop dissent, the more guilty they look.

Information can also be spread offline.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

This is why the Fediverse and VPNs/Tor etc. are so important.