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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 36 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)
  • W. Bush says Iran is in Axis of Evil bullshit basically telling Iran "you're next!" while invading Iraq. Iran starts a nuclear program in response.
  • Obama fixed things by making a treaty with Iran, and got the Nobel Peace Prize (though not in that order which was a bit weird, but whatever)
  • Trump cancels that treaty and assassinates an Iranian General
  • Biden tries to restore the Obama treaty, but Iran doesn't trust the US (wonder why?). So no treaty, but also no war with Iran.
  • Trump gets in again drops some really big bombs on Iran

"BOTH SIDES!" say both the MAGAs and leftists in unison.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, you're right. I'm sure the Democrats would not have supported Israel in Iran, same as how they didn't support Israel in Yemen, or in Lebanon, or in Gaza, or in Syria, or in...

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

If Kamala had won, I (trans latina) would not have had to flee the US. But they're both the exact same amirite?

(I'm honestly a little grateful for that. The US is trash and Trump was the catalyst to get out. I'm never moving back now)

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

"I would be alright".

[–] fuckdaddy@lemmy.cafe 1 points 4 hours ago

Ah yes you're the victim in this story

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

...Here's a thought exercise for you: The year is 2028, Trump is running for a third term, and the Dem ticket is... IDK, Newsom/Buttigieg or whatever, and the big thinkers of the DNC have come up with a foolproof plan to steal away MAGA voters: they will agree with exterminating trans people, but! BUT! will firmly, and I mean FIRMLY stand behind gay marriage. And you're trying to explain that both of those choices are unacceptable to you, and in response are met with an avalanche of mockery because "sure, yeah, one side wants gay marriage banned, but they’re both the exact same amirite?"

Seriously, though, best of luck. Not to assume stuff about your situation, but getting out sooner rather than later sounds like a good move.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world -2 points 3 hours ago

Here’s a thought exercise for you:

Try it for a fucking change.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

You're doing the leftist reductive thing so complex issues become a simplistic "it's all the system, man..."

This doesn't make you look as clever as you think it does. It'll eventually turn you into a conspiracy nut where everything is because of "them". Please make an effort to stay on topic.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

Oh, it's not the "system, man", it's you. As in, you, @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca, personally. You are the exact person I'm thinking about when I say this, and it's frankly amazing you decided to throw your hat in ring here, while simultaneously defending attacks on Iran elsewhere.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world -5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Obama fixed things by making a treaty with Iran, and got the Nobel Peace Prize (though not in that order which was a bit weird, but whatever)

I don't understand how anyone could be so blatant about their own mental gymnastics.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Are you not aware of the treaty? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action

Or are you not aware that Obama won the Noble Peace Prize?

Or maybe you just don't have a sense of humour so you think a joke about Obama getting the Nobel Prize before doing the treaty is "mental gymnastics"?

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago

Ah, sorry a lot of folks here are getting a bit wacky with apologia, and I could see them actually putting forward the nobel peace price as an argument for Obama not being a war criminal, so I did take it a bit too seriously. Poe's law I guess. My apologies!

That said, he is a war criminal though, and I feel like you're cherry picking little bits out of all the presidencies to confirm your point.

Here's an example in the other direction, maybe it'll help you see how unconvincing an argument you're making:

  • Clinton: illegal bombing of Yugoslavia, sanctions in Iraq that have been estimated to kill 500k children.
  • Obama accelerated the drone program, killing 10s of thousands of Afghanis. Under his leadership, and entire wedding party was murdered in Yemen. Pledged 3.8 billion dollars a year for a decade in military aid to the apartheid ethnostate Israel as they were regularly bombing the Gaza strip. Pledged not to persecute the CIA operarives who carried out the torture of uncharged civilians.
  • Trump withdrew from Afghanistan.
  • Biden sent 17.9 billion dollars in nilitary aid to Israel as they were carrying out the genocide in Gaza. Bombed Syria.

You'll note that I omitted Bush. He was really bad. Like, Hitler bad. Not a redeeming quality about him.

At any rate the point is that every single president since Eisenhower, every single one, no exceptions, has been a war criminal, and pretending that any one of them was pro peace is a joke.