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[โ€“] myrrh@ttrpg.network 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

...i'm down for cancelling f*cking christmas; federal holidays should be secular...

...give us the solstices, equinoxes, and earth day and i'm pretty good; throw in labor day and memorial day if you want to bump it up to the private-sector seven...

[โ€“] Penny7@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As a Pagan, if you want federal holidays to be secular then solstices and equinoxes couldn't be counted. Many Pagans (not all) observe them as holy days along with Feb 1-2 (Imbolc), May 1 (Bealtaine - there are multiple spellings this one), August 1 (Lammas/Lughnasadh), and Halloween (Samhain). And I'm sure Pagans that celebrate non-European traditions have other days, I just can't speak to them personally.

[โ€“] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Penny7@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Secular refers to things not religious or spiritual. Those days are religious holidays in various forms of Paganism which is an umbrella term for a set of religions/spiritual practices. If anybody wants truly secular holidays the equinoxes and solstices shouldn't be included in that list.

(Edited to fix typo)

[โ€“] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Secular means separate from religion. Any religion, including paganism. Equinoxes are as food a reason as any to enjoy some time with family.

[โ€“] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

He's agreeing with you on secular. The parent poster said equinoxes should replace a religious holiday, and he's saying that equinoxes are not strictly secular, they are religious at least with respect to paganism.

[โ€“] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

Every day of the calendar is religious for someone. Equinoxes are perfectly secular, physical phenomena.