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I think progressives never thought about this because we banked on immigration and demographic change allowing us to win culturally and electorally but the issue is immigrants tend to be overwhelmingly male, that is how Trump won actually he won over a lot of Hispanic,Black,Asian and indigenous men who feel humiliated by a new culture, economy and world.

So what can we do rhetorically and policy wise to win more young men over ?

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And the best way to vote against your interest is vote just by following propaganda instead of thinking by themselves what they should do.

Thinking on "how to sell" instead of "what do they need from us" (or even better "what do they tell us to do") is setting a path for people not thinking and just following propaganda, which makes them more susceptible for falling into other parties propaganda.

The path for good democracy is not enlightened despotism. Is not the representatives telling the people what to do, is the people telling representatives what to do.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That’s why it’s important to be able to convey your message so people know what you are trying to accomplish with the 2000 page bill

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And what if what you try to accomplish or the way you try to do it is not the way they want it done?

A common problem with the left movements these days is that they put more effort in convincing that in listening, because everyone who becomes politically active automatically thinks they know better than everyone else.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

people who learn about politics think they know more about politics

Yeah no shit

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why you change my words?

Anyway, they think they know, but they don't. They don't know better than anyone else, due the nature of politics their opinion on matters should not have any more weight than the common folk, that's why we chose democracy as a form of government anyway. If we do not believe in the fact that everyone opinion matter the samy I don't know why would we pretend it does, let's stablish an aristocracy and be done with it.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Everyone's opinions don't matter the same. If I take the time and energy to understand a topic, my opinion has more weight than Joe Schmo who looked it up on Facebook. As Isaac Asimov said:

Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

We are not talking about science, we are talking about politics.

In science you can study gravity and then your opinion on how gravity works is more important than the opinion of someone who hasn't study gravity.

But we are talking about politics, politics is about what people want with their lives and how they are able to live those lives. And no matter what have you studied or how much have you studied. The biggest authority on someone's life it's always going to be that one person. You are not going to be able to know more about someone's life, their goals, their fears, their aspirations and hopes, what makes them happy what makes them sad that themselves. Because they live with themselves 24/7 you cannot "outstudy" that.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

It's true that not every question in politics has an absolute, factual answer. But some do, and there's a minimum standard of discussion below which people are just working with misinformation and will not be correct regardless of their goals.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Then you don’t get elected…

What I find funny is I have the exact opposite opinion that the left spends more time trying to appeal to voters than actually communicate what they are trying to do. So we end up with things like 250B to boost American manufacturing that got completely ignored

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

Maybe no political party should have more than 5% of the votes. The fact that 50% of the population could agree on all issues doesn't feel possible to me.