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[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 10 points 19 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Tja@programming.dev 7 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Even that might be going too far. It's more "the enemy of my enemy" situation.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Nope, definately a lesser evil. By a lot.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Nah, you're just biased against non-white countries. There's no metric by which it's close otherwise

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

They're both non white by American standards, and they are both white for our standard, so keep projecting.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago

Lol. Israel is absolutely a White country, and Iran absolutely isn't. Trying to pretend that isn't the case is absurd

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Nope, lesser evil means exactly what it sounds like.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 3 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

If Iran gets its hands on a nuclear weapon it's going to be a bad time. Might not be a lesser evil. They have showed how little regard they have for their own citizens, imagine those of other countries.

This conflict both reduces the amount of bombings in Gaza and distances Iran from getting a nuke, but it would be hard for me to say who's the bigger evil.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Definitely are a lesser evil, quit imagining things. I'd trust Iran with nukes more than the US, we're the only people in history to actually use them and we dropped them on civilians both times.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The US also massacred the indigenous population and a whole series of historic crimes, but we are talking about 2025.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Is there a statute of limitations on using nuclear weapons? Doesn't matter, you're still wrong either way

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 7 hours ago

There is. Once a person is dead, you kinda cannot judge them anymore.

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Iran's leader issued a fatwa on nuclear weapons.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

And said he would change it "if needed".

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That is true of literally every fatwa.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Are laws useless because they can be appealed, reinterpreted, or ammended?

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

By one person on a whim? Yes.

By a democratically elected parliament, after debate, scrutiny and a vote? No.

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean that one person was elected by imams who themselves were elected by their congregations. And its silly to pretend theres not endless debate before a fatwa is issued.

Iran isnt a democracy, but it does have democratic elements.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 4 hours ago

But once he is in power he can decide to rescind it, specially as the military requests it more and more. Even more now as attacks escalate.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You would basically have to think Palestinians aren't human to say it's not obvious who the lesser evil is

[–] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

No, both Palestinians and Iranians are human, and both Israel and Iran are evil murderous regimes with disregard to human life.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

And one has killed multiple orders of magnitude more humans, is trying to kill even more, and is the aggressor in this case. The British Empire was an evil murderous regime, but if someone was saying they weren't the obvious lesser evil in World War 2, I would assume they are a Nazi

[–] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Because Iran isn't capable of murdering people with the impunity that Israel has, not because they don't want to, or wouldn't if given the chance. If they get nukes that would change.

Following your example, Britain (and America) were both bad and the obvious lesser evil in ww2, but the Soviet union less so. They had their own genocide(s) they just weren't able to scale it up fast enough before getting invaded.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

not because they don’t want to, or wouldn’t if given the chance. If they get nukes that would change.

You have zero evidence of this, just rascism and vibes. This is basically what a Russian supporter would say about Ukraine. This is what the US did say about Iraq. This is what every imperialist prick says to justify their aggression.

And even if it was true, the actual, real life, actually happening genocide that Israel is committing is worse than the one you imagine Iran might.

were both bad and the obvious lesser evil

I'm going to stop you right there. If you think it's "obvious" that the western allies were lesser evils but can't tell that Iran is, you are a white supremacist. It's that simple. Remember, unlike Iran, the British Empire committed actual genocide.

the Soviet union less so.

Only if you're a Holocaust denier.

They had their own genocide(s) they just weren’t able to scale it up fast enough before getting invaded.

And this is just straight up false.

[–] Tja@programming.dev -1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I have family killed by the Soviet union in the 1940s, so I don't care about your uneducated opinion defending a genocidal regime.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

K, lots of people have family killed by the British Empire and the US, and the Nazis. But apparently you think you're the main character and the only person who matters. Maybe you should learn you're not the centre of the universe before chiding others about being uneducated, given you should've learned that in preschool.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 7 hours ago

Nah, genocide denial is not cool no matter what Whataboutism or meme you try.

[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The foreign invaders committing genocide is more evil than the indigenous regressive government.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I disagree, but I guess it's a matter of opinion.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

No it's a matter of verifiable fact, your opinion is incorrect

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 7 hours ago

Not really, but you can have your opinion.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Not even that for me, it's just Israel's hypocrisy.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 10 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Even if we accept every single bit of western propaganda about Iran at face value it would still objectively be far less harmful than Israel, and the odds that our media is exaggerating and/or completely making shit up to manufacture consent for another war in the middle east are pretty good

[–] Godric@lemmy.world -1 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Iran beats women to death for violating Hijab laws.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 15 hours ago

Israel has murdered more women in the last year than Iran has in decades.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 6 points 17 hours ago

Israel beats and bombs and starves women for no reason at all, and men and children.

Lesser. Evil.