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I don't think people are cheering them on in general. Just cheering them on against Israel. Which, like…yeah. One of these countries has been committing outright genocide and murdering journalists and aid workers en mass for the last 2 years, and then provoked this latest attack by firing missiles at the other.
80* years
No, 2 years. To go with the "en mass" part in particular.
How long has Iran been killing gays?
Israel has killed more gays in the last year than Iran has in its existence
Really? Source for that, seems very hard to believe
Last year, Lancet estimated the dead in Gaza at about a quarter of a million. A year has passed since then, and the killing has only increased, so it's plausibly at at least twice that now. Approximately 5 percent of people are gay, and Israel makes no destination in killing them, so that's about 25,000 murdered gays.
Exact numbers for Iran are hard to find, but its of the order of magnitude of less then 1 a year, plus 20 in the immediate aftermath of the revolution.
So it's a two digit number vs a five digit one.
That’s quite a leap in logic. Israel hasn’t killed any of these people because they are gay. I do see the point you are trying to make but defending the systematic killing of gay people undertaken by hamas or iran with whataboutism doesn’t help anyone
I'm guessing it really picked up after the 1979 islamic revolution, so 46 years.
The state of Israel was recognised by the US in 1948, so 77 years ago.
How does this plays out in your head now? Please explain, but I'm really curious how one thing related to the other.
I would have guessed they have been killing gays for millennia. I like to flip the religious nutcase rhetoric on its head and say this is what happens to evil people, they brought it on themselves. It’s what they say when a western country gets attacked or has a natural disaster, they say things like this is god punishing them for accepting gay people. I say this is what they get for killing gays, they are pure evil. Also Israel get what they deserve for their oppression and genocide. Lesson to everyone is stop being evil.
Iran experienced an unbelievably dramatic pendulum swing back and forth in the 20th century.
History is complicated, culture is complicated, societies are complicated. Many of the people of Iran are not perpetrators of evil, but victims of it.
This is why you shouldn't reduce entire nations and peoples to "evil," not least because in doing so you reduce them and separate them from a vague sense of "not evil," which will only inevitably lead to more evil.
Evil is found in every history. It is always present, always waiting, always possible in every corner of the globe. To face and fight evil is not just to face and fight an individual enemy or even a nation, but to stand vigilant at all times against this very same evil finding root in your heart and your home.
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/iran-before-revolution-photos/
I wish that was true, but I've seen plenty of people cheer Iran on in general.
Campism is utter brainrot.
Yeah, I've seen a ton of flat-out support for Iran and Hamas on here, and it just hurts my head. Particularly when it comes from members of the LGBTQ communities.
Like... do they not realize what these people would do to them if they had the chance?
Do you not realize what Israel would do to you if you went to Gaza and tried to protect Palestinians?
The brainrot here in these comments is the blatant disregard for genocide of Palestinians by Israel.
Why are we dumbing down the situation here? Life isn't about single issues.
Maybe we've seen different posts, but don't conflate the need to stop Israel's mad crusade with supporting Iran's regime.
The OP is literally talking about cheering Iran. So it is definitely about single issues for a lot of people.
So, you, the (likely white and straight) saviour has to tell the gays what to do and who to support?
Israel, by shielding all its genocide in fake rainbow flags and under the guise of "western values", does SO MUCH damage to LGBT communities all over the middle East. When you're seeing "the self-proclaimed gay-friendly Jews" steal your land and attempt to murder your entire people, don't you think there might be reasons why the oppressed end up having negative feelings about gays and Jews? Obviously LGBT-phobia is bad, but it is literally the west who forced this.
In the particular case of Iran, in the mid-20th century, the country democratically elected Mosaddegh, a secular and progressive leader who believed in feminism and who was in a coalition with broad leftists. What did the west do? Economic blockade to Iran because it wanted to nationalise IRANIAN oil fields that belonged primarily to BP, and staged a coup against him.
It's literally the fault of the west that Iran didn't develop as a better-functioning progressive, secular democracy.
You say that as if half of the people in their home country don't want to do the same shit?
Not cheering on their domestic policy, but ppl are xheering on their choice to defend themselves from attack.
Well said
And Iran has been supplying drones for Russia so they can do the same in Ukraine.
They are both shit countries committing genocide directly or indirectly, they should fight each other to extinction.
Governments != Citizenry.
Both governments should fight each other to extinction, excluding citizens.
Unfortunately, both Israel and Iran have been targeting civilian centers, starting with Israel, which is depressing.
Israel has also been supllying drones to Russia. They even demanded Ukraine to surrender to Russia.
This is not to challenge your statement. I find it important to understand that Israel is neither on the side of Ukraine, or on the side of NATO. Israel has no allies, it only has bitches doing its bidding.
The things I have to read on this website, I swear
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Russia_relations#Drones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Russia_relations#2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
Again, Israel has no allies as it extends no loyalty to anyone. It only has bitches doing its bidding.
Israel's only loyalty is to the United States of America, let's not forget that.
Did @Saleh@feddit.org’s comment bring that claim into context or is it not a fully proper response to your complaint?
(PS: Jewish people are cool, genocide is bad, not tricking you - srs & honest in spite of my username)
A few isolated events of drone purchases aren't enough to make such a claim IMO. E.g.:
https://www.investigate-europe.eu/posts/eu-states-exported-weapons-to-russia
So apparently Spain, France or Germany, full members of NATO, aren't Pro-NATO because they did arms deals with Russia at some point in the past 15 years. Not good analysis in my opinion.