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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth appeared to acknowledge that the Pentagon has developed plans to take over Greenland and Panama by force if necessary but refused to answer repeated questions at a hotly combative congressional hearing Thursday about his use of Signal chats to discuss military operations.

Democratic members of the House Armed Services Committee repeatedly got into heated exchanges with Hegseth, with some of the toughest lines of questioning coming from military veterans as many demanded yes or no answers and he tried to avoid direct responses about his actions as Pentagon chief.

In one back-and-forth, Hegseth did provide an eyebrow-raising answer. Rep. Adam Smith, D-Wash., asked whether the Pentagon has developed plans to take Greenland or Panama by force if necessary.

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[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

A quick search shows Greenlands population is 56,865. In what world would 56 thousand people, half of which are likely incapable of fighting due to age or sickness, be of any meaningful threat that we would need 'contingency' plans against them. Even if all 56 thousand could fight it would be a non war lasting hours against the military. That gigantic country has a similar population of my home COUNTY.

This shit is dumber than invading the middle east over oil. Is their hard on for... minerals and err... resources? Im not entirely sure why they want Greenland so much. This is stupid.

[–] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The contingency plan probably isn't about the people at all. It's likely the government has had a plan for a long time, maybe since WWII, about any number of countries including Greenland. Strategic points to either destroy or control. How to repel an invading force as well as how to invade against a repelling force.

That's who the US has become over the last 80 years.

[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So wait, your saying it's about the golden dome or trumps anti nuke wall or whatever i gods name he was talking about.

I stand by the "this is stupid" comment.

[–] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 5 points 1 day ago

No, it has nothing to do with the "Golden Dome" nonsense.

The US did all sorts of war game scenarios and plan making during and directly after WWII and they've never stopped.

There's actually probably a lot of countries who have done the same, though I'm not sure to the extent the US has.

The fact that the US has a plan like this by itself isn't newsworthy. Who it's coming from makes it noteworthy because, while the plan may have been created decades ago, it's a very unsubtle threat against another nation.

I agree that this is stupid, but understanding is important because this is how they weasel out of things. If confronted or challenged they'll say, "Oh, that plan was put together decades ago." Everything they do is done with cover because not only are they fascists, they're cowards too.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Denmark is a NATO country and Greenland is part of it. As soon as we attack all of NATO is obligated to attack us. They can start non violet by stopping all trade and dumping the dollar crashing our economy.

Even just to the Greenlanders could be a real problem.

People sabatogue blow up poison and casually murder you after giving in.

We can't murder everyone and the us has been shown to be very intolerant to a few thousand troop deaths not to mention civilian deaths on their side live on TV

It would absolutely be a cluster fuck worse than Iraq

[–] pinkapple@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

NATO members can't interfere in conflicts between NATO members, only in conflicts between NATO and non-NATO. NATO is a cold war relic designed to be used against the Warsaw Pact countries, not some universal defense and peace instrument. Right now it's either useless or a tool for western imperialism.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

This statement is based on nothing.

Article 5

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_17120.htm

[–] pinkapple@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

That says nothing about attacks of NATO members on NATO members and there are precedents like Turkey taking over and occupying half of Cyprus leading to war between members Greece and Turkey where the other useless members did absolutely nothing because the standard interpretation is that NATO doesn't protect members from other members. Stop making up theories and spreading misinformation.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

In a word no, membership in NATO isn't a shield against the rest of NATO

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's 2k more than my small suburb I live in. That's nothing at all.

[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I grew up in a village of around 350... everything is a lot of people to me.